The US supported Saddam Hussein and put him in power- until they got tired of him, then they waged a war and lied about WMD (remember “underground mobile bunkers anyone?) then they found him hiding in a hole in the ground and just killed him. The US is a terrorist state. Love to see the US trillion dollar debt payments go intergalactic in scale. Can’t wait to see it fail even more as a country.
Please be advised that the dollar failing is inevitable, and entire US financial system is based on DEBT with one inevitable conclusion. World financial system, really, with tentacles everywhere on Earth.
The collapse is when they can purchase more land/assets at bottom dollar. Rinse and repeat since 1911
Yours Truly,
A conglomeration of international banking interests around since the 1800s (look at Deutsche Bank, for example, or JP Morgan)
“Saddam Hussein in heaven” 🧐
This IS the BAD PLACE! 😱
Bees! Bees! Bees!
I can’t unhear South Park Saddams Voice
“Relax guy”
“Satan! Baby I am so hard right now!”
Heeeeey, reeelaaaax guy!
That fucker would be nowhere near heaven, let’s be real.
Hard disagree. God loves genocidal maniacs, he himself is one.
God loves genocidal maniacs
To paraphrase…God has a hard-on for the US military because we kill everything we see! He plays His games, we play ours! To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls!
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Almost certainly.
The fresh souls of god fearing soldiers!
But those scum over there who never had the chance to worship the correct god will go to hell
He could have prayed to Jesus right before dying, though! As long as he really means it
Sorry, I don’t make the goofy ass heaven rules, take it up with the magic bird
Yes he would. Hell is where the cool kids go. Are you asserting saddam is cool enough to hang out with genghis khan, liberace and Satan? I think not.
Not to the final circle, no. But somewhere on top with all the petty criminals, yes.
Wait, how did Saddam Hussein get into heaven?
He couldn’t stay in hell, after he broke up with satan.
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Hopefully Satan finds a better partner who deserves him.
Yeah, uh… He ended up with Trump. They’re having a butt-baby.
Like „the aristocrats”?
The baby hanged itself (allegedly) in the womb and they broke up.
How can I delete someone else’s comment?
OP didn’t even make it up. It was a whole story arc within South Park this past season, so even if you could delete someone else’s comment, you’ll probably run into it again.
Hey! You changed your pfp! Lmao
Trump is fucking Satan
People’s moral compass got seriously screwed over the past couple years. They hate america so much that they think every enemy of america is literally the reincarnation of jesus christ.
Believing Saddam is in heaven would require believing in some sort of god/afterlife/good place vs bad place, and I assure you the vast majority of people who make satirical memes commenting on the United States once again using the excuse of “WMDs!” don’t believe in that. This is gallows humor, grim laughter at being fed the same bullshit time and time again. It’s the by-product of burnout when the regime changes but the narrative remains the same.
What has happened in America (and globally) is that digital interfacing has removed all the nuance, non-verbal, and tonal clues that would clue others in that satire is not endorsement. It relies on the belief that the listener/reader is literate enough to understand that what is being offered is not meant to be taken at face value. It can be true that Saddam was a piece of shit and that it wasn’t America’s place to take him out under false pretenses. I wouldn’t shed a tear if the mango turd got sent to Hell (metaphorically, since I don’t believe in Hell), but I would still be perturbed if his ticket was checked by some foreign nation that I knew didn’t actually give a fuck about me and my community or what came next for us.
satire is not endorsement
A few years ago, I would have agreed with that statement. But I’ve read people on lemmy unironically saying “Hitler was at least sorta right” and so I just can’t really believe that anymore.
If you know it’s being said unironically than you know it’s not satire, it’s just endorsement.
That’s how it is over on lemmygrad and other .ml instances
It’s really strange. I believe war is bad and the ends don’t justify the means, but the Iranian regime needs to be replaced. Both are true at the same time. There must have been a way to affect that change without violence, but I don’t know what that way is.
Trump is terrible, but that doesn’t make the Ayatollah good.
Now I’m rambling.
Exactly, he needed to be replaced, but it needed to be done in a way that creates a stable and free Iran with the capacity to exert its own will. This is just a repeat of Afghanistan but somehow dumber
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So sheol
It’s that silly all-or-nothing thinking. Just because America, Israel and Western vassals are objectively THE main world villains of the past few decades (and Western Europe before that, but that’s a different convo) doesn’t mean that everyone they attacked were saints, lol.
Just because America, Israel and Western vassals are objectively THE main world villains of the past few decades
It’s very hard for me to understand how russia is not on that list in the first spot ngl. That fucking country is second to none.
Yeah, Russia, the country that invaded, couped and otherwise subjugated the majority of the world, the country with almost countless military bases around the world, the country of Native genocide, chattle slavery, gunboat diplomacy, three letter agency destabilisation, etc etc. You’re dipped head to toe in propaganda, my friend, you just don’t know it but today you can begin to learn. So no, there’s no comparison, the closest American historical peers are the British and French empires, and then Rome, I guess.
the country that invaded, couped and otherwise subjugated the majority of the world
Correct. That one. The chechen wars, the georgian wars, the war for transnistria, the invasion of ukraine … and that is not even mentioned all their support in the middle east.
the country with almost countless military bases around the world
Yes. True aswell.
While america certainly has more, let’s not pretend that russia has little or even none. They have a heavy military presence in africa, the middle east and the occupied regions south of russia.
the country of Native genocide
My man, after the georgian wars, there has been an ethnic cleansing of georgians in the affected regions, most noteably abkhazia and ossetia. Now, I don’t know the total numbers and could only find total death tolls, but it’s still an ethnic cleansing on a large scale.
gunboat diplomacy
True, russia isn’t doing that - because they are just straightup invading the country instead.
three letter agency destabilisation
Yes, the FSB (the direct successor of the KGB) is certainly not engaging in any destabilization around the world. They would never bomb their own people and blame chechen insurgents for it so they can break the peace treaty and attack again … ah wait. That’s exactly what they did.
You’re dipped head to toe in propaganda
Nah. I know exactly that america is a shitty country, especially under trump. But when putting all their misdeeds side by side and looking at it from a neutral point of view, russia has been way more harmful to the world than america. That does not mean that america has been a net-positive btw - both are shit. But russia is way worse.
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Complains there’s no nuance anymore.
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Provides the second least nuanced take ever.
How come? If that position had to be taken by anyone, who would you place there besides the usual suspects I just mentioned? It still doesn’t make Saddam someone who might see Heaven, at least IMO…
If we’re only looking at the bad things a country has done, committing actual genocide is worse than destabilizing governments and overthrowing dictators.
But you’re also ignoring the good things. The US has historically provided around one third of all humanitarian aid in the world. And while it may not be the perfect example of democracy, it has used its power to keep much worse regimes in check.
Saying that America is “objectively THE main world villain” is just silly. Like, you think North Korea is morally superior? Seriously? Or Russia?
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If an advanced civilization in the future figures out a way to scan the minds of all sentient beings and put them in an afterlife simulation, then it’ll probably work like The Good Place after they fixed the issues with the system, and this guy would absolutely still be stuck in the purgatories, not yet a better person.
Did realize the US was dropping atomic bombs over there.
Also Saddam watching someone make a meme with that line break:
In heaven ? Seriously ?
Have you heard of the doctrine of universal reconciliation?
Maybe he accepted Jesus right at the end.
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he confessed his sins before death
Hell would have been too much like a vacation spot for him. Had to send him to the good place to properly torment him for eternity.
Watching the us abomb iran, did mario write this?
But. The tubes!
IAEA made it quite clear that Iran was, in fact, producing highly enriched uranium. There’s no other use for that than to make nukes
Ironically, IAEA reports also supported that Iraq was not doing so back in 2003.
Ironically, attacking someone “preemptively” because you think they’re about to develop nukes really just proves to those being attacked that they need nukes, because you won’t respect their sovereignty without MAD. I think it’s very clear to anyone with eyes and half a brain that the US+Israel wouldn’t have attacked Iran if it could result in Tel Aviv being glassed. Thus, the only logical conclusion from Irans side must be that they need to work even harder to develop nukes if they want the US+Israel to stop bombing them “preemptively” once a year or so.
‘Their sovereignty’ in this case being a religious elite of around 5% that holds the rest of the people as their cattle.
Sure from their pov they ‘need’ those nukes, but unless you’re on their side it’s a very good thing if they don’t get them
unless you’re on their side it’s a very good thing if they don’t get them.
Of absolutely! I would much prefer that Iran (a fanatic, fundamentalist government) do not get their hands on nukes.
I’m just pointing out the irony in that bombing them “preemptively” around once a year, and in general breaking all kinds of international law against them (assassinations etc.) is basically just yelling to them that “As long as you don’t have nukes, we can do whatever we want to you, and murder your people as we please. We’re also gonna keep doing exactly that, regularly, to stop you from getting nukes!”
If that doesn’t convince someone to do everything in their power to build nukes, I don’t know what will.
Well they could, and I know this is a crazy idea but bear with me for just a moment, not try to make nuclear weapons
“I need nuclear weapons to protect me from people attacking me because they want to prevent me from getting nuclear weapons” -> somewhere there’s a bit of circular logic in there
We can flip that argument though: “These people keep trying to make nukes to stop me from bombing them. Maybe if I stop bombing them and instead try to make something like the old Iran nuclear agreement, they won’t see a massive need for nukes”.
The thing is, the US+Israel have shown time and again that they will conduct bombings and assassinations on Iranian (and other) soil regardless of whether the country in question is actually anywhere close to building nukes. So the idea “maybe we should stop trying to build nukes” just falls flat on its face once the US+Israel bombs you anyway, which is basically what’s happening here.
We can flip that argument
I’m happy you’re seeing the light :)
the US+Israel bombs you anyway
Well, no.
Can you give any examples of either Israel or the US bombing Iran or something like you describe that wasn’t linked to their nuclear program?
For clarity: impotent calls to attack Iran have always been there: from inside the US (remember McCain singing), from Israel (well, Iran is sponsoring the ‘freedom fighters’ in direct conflict with Israel for decades) and even from Saudi Arabia (which was also confirmed in Cablegate).
But can you give any examples of the US or even Israel directly attacking them since like the 80’s?
Claims from Bibi with a cartoon that Iran is working on nukes: no attack Strong indications that they are, indeed, working to acquire nukes: Stuxnet, assassinations, negotiations Clear proof that they are ramping up production of highly enriched uranium: negatiotions Refusal to stop their production: attack + pickachu
There are two primary points here:
A) Just the past couple of years there has been an assassination of a high-ranking officer in Iran, and iirc a bombing of their consulate in Beirut. None of these are related to the nuclear program, they weren’t even claimed to be related to the nuclear program. I also mentioned other countries: the whole “Iraq has WMD’s”-thing comes to mind.
B) Regardless of the above, both the US and Israel have signed the UN charter, explicitly stating that the will not attack other countries just to get their way. Doing that puts them on the same level as russia when it comes to respecting international law. Saying “you should have done as I said and you wouldn’t have gotten beat up” doesn’t justify beating someone up.
They have the right to make nukes as much as anyone. Kinda surprised they didn’t just buy some from North Korea to prevent all this.
Ah yes, the ‘everyone with nukes and a button to destroy the world’ philosophy
Sure sounds great
It would prevent nothing of this. You need to deliver the nuke to the destination and USA is on the other side of the globe.
No Israel is right there, and the reason we’ve been dragged into this
Hey now, we still might bomb Iraq too. At least one of the regime mouthpieces fudged and said Iraq instead of Iran already, so to prevent that from looking stupid, we will also bomb Iraq.
