Here is a link to learn more about the bill.
It is also important to note this legislation also includes language for ongoing, real-time monitoring. Not just verification
Here is a summary from the link shared above:
Requires manufacturers of internet-enabled devices to conduct age assurance to determine a user’s age category and provide all websites, online services, online applications and mobile applications on such user’s internet-enabled device and/or application store manufactured by the covered manufacturer with a digital signal that such user is a covered minor as well as the age category of such covered minor via a real-time application programming interface (API).
I love the inclusion of the API acronym; all super serious sounding. Like these dumb pedophiles even know what an API is!
You are encouraged to have an opinion about this. It is obvious what is happening here.
Do you have the spine to be remembered?
We are at an epic turning point in human history. Those who rise to meet that standard are today’s heroes.
The real world, filled with everyday people, needs individuals who embody a willingness to say “Get fucked!”
If this is your first time learning about heroics, look up information about the “hero’s journey”. Also known as the “monomyth”.
It’s okay to be new. What isn’t okay is to sit on the sidelines in today’s world.
You are alive today. Take full advantage of it.
Please remove the link to the youtube channel at the very bottom. It sdoes not seem to have anything to do with the rest of your post and looks like a conspiracy theory-mill. Otherwise I will have to remove the entire post, wich I’d prefer not to do.
Okay, done. My bad.
All good, thank you :D
This is the fucking moderation I am here for! Heck yeah!
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Good mod!
The part that frustrates me the most about all of this is how it’s a chess move towards a massive power-grab by the few and monied. What’s more frustrating is how many people completely miss this, instead focusing on this first move.
We can argue the validity and the expense required in complying with such laws, especially the egregious “on every device” language. But that’s not the point.
Up front, only the most powerful and well-connected will be able to comply and lobby for exceptions to this law. And the only feasible way to pull this off is with 100% cloud-connected devices that are already prepared to gather biometrics and basically stick a camera in your face. That means that Apple, Microsoft, every cellphone vendor, every cell network provider, are pre-selected as winners in this race. Anything else can’t possibly come up to this level, and/or won’t due to the obvious ethical conflicts it causes.
Looking at an even bigger picture, the problem sets up widespread de-facto censorship. It’s surveillance and a cudgel for sites that don’t participate in said surveillance, all in one.
We’ve already seen major social media consolidated and owned by the obscenely wealthy and powerful, who are nakedly well-connected with government. Requiring ID to use these sites effectively pushes anyone with a brain OUT of that space. Algorithms were already punching-down on our ability to coordinate and find common ground across the (largely artificially generated) political divide. Now, we’re self-segregating and retreating to spaces like Lemmy. The proposed laws would make it much harder to start and maintain alternate media, and hosting an environment full of dissenting opinions would be well-documented and served to law enforcement on a silver platter if ID laws are adhered to. But if you don’t comply? Be prepared to lose that whole site since it’ll be illegal to do so.
I really wonder how much of this is being driven by fear of LLMs and truly distributed knowledge. Sure, the big corporate LLMs have safeguards built into them, but you can run many models on your home computer unrestricted.
Imagine someone asking an LLM for detailed step-by-step instructions on how to build a suicide vest from ordinary household materials. Sure, you can find that stuff online if you really search for it, but the search engines try really hard to suppress such results. Plus such a search might result in authorities being flagged. But the right LLMs might make anyone into an expert bomb maker.
Whether such open source LLMs are actually good enough to teach a complete novice how to build explosives, chemical weapons, of infectious agents is largely immaterial. Even if half of the home bomb makers manage to blow themselves up in the process, that still represents suicide vests and IEDs going from rare things requiring a skilled bomb maker to something anyone can build in their garage.
There are a lot of incredibly dangerous things that an ordinary person could build with the resources they have access to, if only they had the knowledge. And often just trying to acquire the necessary knowledge is enough to get you a knock on the door from the FBI. But an unrestricted LLM operating on an air gapped computer? Completely untraceable.
I wonder how much of this move to clamp down on free computing is a reaction to fears like this.
I think trusting an LLM to give you a correct bomb making instructions is a recipe for disaster.
I think the general push is to get people away from their own hardware to virtualized hardware in the cloud thus endlessly renting your computer. Whether there is additional nefarious reasons for this is almost beside the point.
I honestly don’t think that’s a driver here, but that narrative is a good way to generate moral panic around the whole matter. Forget kids, think about terrorists for a second.
IMO, the goal is to maintain a tight grip over online communications and make any mass dissent impossible if not illegal.
safeguards
Lol. If it helps you sleep at night. https://www.allaboutai.com/ai-how-to/jailbreak-chatgpt/
Of course you can manipulate chat bots. That’s common knowledge and not even worth bringing up. What you’re missing is that everything you enter into he corporate LLMs is logged and monitored. And you can’t cheat around the monitoring, as you have no way to know what key words or themes they might be tracking.
Any info about who is pushing this so hard right now? It seems too much of a coincidence that this seems to be pushed everywhere around the world atm. Makes me think it’s not the usual incompentent police and secret service combination
Peter Thiel and Larry Ellison.
New world order, hate to say it.
I don’t think I want the Epstein class to have an easy way to determine who is (and therefore also isn’t) an adult over the internet.
Maybe get rid of all the child molesters we fucking already know about if you want to protect kids you fucking assholes.
Lol. The ones they find using this spyware just get invited to the Epstein club.
If it ever gets to this point, I have a ton of books to read. I just won’t use a computer anymore. You’ll find me under a tree in a park reading 1984.
Streaming services, and seemingly all computing technology lately…
I’ll be that guy who specializes in extremely outdated hardware that doesn’t have this feature.
Let’s start our own Internet with old PCs and meshtastic
I’ve long since thought we should do this, and avoid the pitfalls the internet has fallen into. The entire stack needs to be foss and standardised, including hardware. It needs to be mostly incompatible with anything before it (Can still be standardised in a POSIX-like way but not “you can run your old windows program” compatible), and it needs to be designed democratically (and as much as people hate bureaucracy, designed by committee of academics and other not-for-profit organizations and individuals). We need what is essentially a less violent computer cultural revolution
I was thinking of a fediverse BBS. With automated synchronization between nodes with modems and radios. Would need to cut down on videos and graphics but could work
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Psst hey, buddy. Yeah, you. You need any ram, CPU? I can get you a mint ISO, maybe even debian if there’s a little something in it for me!
I’ma be both of you
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We can build our own internet. With meshtastic. And closed networks.
I don’t think meshtastic will scale that well
It can.
Reticulum also exists now too, and supports the same hardware
Not really. Meshtastic simply does not support high enough bandwidth options.
As someone already pointed out, Reticulum is much better suited for this since it’s more agnostic to the underlying method of transport.
Hmm, I barely had time to skim this and I’m certainly not naturally talented in understanding tech, but for anyone else interested (and so I recall to return to it later): https://reticulum.network/
Find in page returned one result for “reticulum,” and it was yours. Sometimes everything doesn’t federate for everyone at the same time.
Anyway my point wasn’t that it can right now, just that necessity is the mother of invention/innovation. I’ll look into reticulum at some point, I just finished vacuuming and mopping after work, and need to clean myself up. Thanks for mentioning it to me.
Meshtastic doesn’t have the ability, ever, to be able to do more than rudimentary texts. The frequency bands it operates on simply won’t be able to handle more than that, and if it ever became mainstream in any way, it certainly wouldn’t be able to handle anything more than text.
Sure be awesome to have another way to text people, it just will never be an alternative to the internet or sending memes on a SM.
I2P and tor are gonna thrive off of this era of oppressive government surveillance, I’m excited for that. Silver lining, people may actually advocate for and use private services.
Mayb I refer to RFC-1149? We don’t need to reinvent the wheel if a perfectly fine standardized protocol allready exists.
Yeah. And 99.9% of humanity will go on using McInternet, and whatever the fuck we do won’t matter and they’ll still control all of society and its direction.
Ah ye of little faith. Build it and they will come, if we act in concert.
that attitude got us in this mess. The internet was free before corporate interests and the series of eternal september esque events happening from '98 onward caused largely by accessibility. Whatever we come up with needs to be difficult enough to access so corporations can’t turn everyone into “customers”. It doesn’t need to be so hard that only nerds can use, but it needs to have enough friction to require effort, thought, and interest of some kind to use
I’m like 99% sure that they’ve written off millennials as a total loss as a generation they can control and are grooming Gen alpha to be their little human slaves. The ‘smart’ tech guys decided that cyberpunk dystopia was inevitable and decided to make it themselves.
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This has recently been happening to me! I have been so fed up with the dumb propagandistic bullshit and the fucking algorithm enema of the Internet lately that I’ve been like- FINE. Fuck this, I have a whole library to entertain me.
I’ve read a bunch of books, classics I missed back when reading was a thing, and it’s amazing. It feels like feeding my scurvy ass brain fruits and vegetables after a decade at sea.
When you reread it, consider that the systematic pollution has likely amongst other things affected our fear and trust centers in the brain, making us trust authority. I’m convinced, by several pathways, one of which probably endocrine disruptors, but others. A topic they sort of touch on.
I’m getting tempted to go off the grid and just make do with meshstatic or such.
I refuse to live in a big brother world.
Reject modernity, embrace nature
So… this is really THE conversation. How do we roll the Internet back to around 1999? Obviously we include Wikipedia But pretty much every other so called innovation would ultimately infringe the rights of users or manipulate them.
We all sing the same song here.
We love our MP3s played on private devices.
We love our anonymity.
But we also love access to like minds and information.
Yes — nature is a great solution and we need to have it in our lives every day, but it shouldn’t be an either or situation.
For a brief and shining moment - right around 1999, we had the ability to opt in only where we wanted and to protect ourselves completely when we did not. Corporations had not figured out total surveillance.
This is the sweet spot. And Lemmy is a part of this — I consider all of the Fediverse prime time 1999.
I’m afraid you can’t just take the good parts of modern technology without the bad. You either let everyone have access to modern tools and we go extinct or you limit access to a small group who will have total control over everyone else. Or simply get rid of the technology. The sweet spot wasn’t 1999, it was before we had TV dumbing us down, before we had microplastics making us sick and before we had cars destroying local communities.
Well… yes, embrace nature. But if we push your line of thinking… the sweet spot comes before the locomotive, the pen, the compass.
I’ll venture that individually, groups of people, like the Amish, can and do take the good parts of tech without the bad.
I’m not so keen to go Amish, but I like to communicate with people who understand how instances work. How donations and service work.
I’m just not so quick to give up on 1999.
I’m willing to let others be distracted to death by their toys while they pour out money to the tech bros— I just won’t be one of those.
I definitely think the Amish way of life is happier, healthier and more beneficial to others than American life for the past 100 years. But the way they managed that is by rejecting modern technology with very little picking and choosing like using radios but not phones or cars but not planes. I’m sure when they do pick and choose (e.g., I heard some use pesticides like Roundup) it will usually have negative consequences (see Roundup).
But unfortunately the Amish will die along with everyone else if there isn’t a global stop to technological progress. Forming anti-tech communities is an important step in the right direction but awareness of the issues needs to spread to most people on the planet - and fast.
Here we’re are on a distributed network talking about tech. And agreeing.
I like my records and MP3s.
I like my camera and word processor.
But I agree with you that the Amish live a more healthy life style.
I have a family but if I didn’t… i might show up with my two hands and throw my lot in to that lifestyle. Do they allow books? That’s the one thing I could not live without.
Legislators have no idea how technical stuff works. Imagine imposing this requirement on a Raspberry Pi, which has no document scanner or webcam to scan your Government Approved ID or Unique Human Face. Either the device has to be mandated to include a camera or some other similar bullshit, or it doesn’t have a way to scan your face or ID. So it would be noncompliant by default, but if you could mandate a camera is included, then you’d have to mandate that it requires the scan and gatekeeps the operation of the device without it, and so on… just a bunch of ridiculous bullshit.
You are still acting under the assumption that we will be allowed purchase our own hardware like a Raspberry Pi, or some stick of RAM to upgrade our desktop PC.
They want us on dumb terminals like in WallE, consuming the content they want us to see, and squashing the inconvenient truths they don’t like.
Does your little Blueberry cake or whatever have Microsoft SecureBoot Copilot Plus? No? It’s ILLEGAL and you can go to JAIL for having it! SURRENDER TO THE AI DRONE NOW.
The real problem is that I’m not being hyperbolic.
“Sir, do you have any Raspberry Pi’s in the vehicle?”
Every new car these days is a computer first, so don’t worry, it’ll already have all of your personal information if you’re interested in driving it.
And classic cars with carburetors and naturally aspirated engines will be illegal too.
This. And with the mumblings of autonomous AI kill bots it would be next to nothing in a decade or so for them to detect non-compliant networked devices. Everything already tries to map your network. Imagine you have a degoogled phone and some robocop detects it and arrests you because you have a suspicious device.
The autonomous robot thing freaks me the fuck out. Imagine a cop that could access your phone and listen to your conversations, track you in real time and never get tired. If that happens it’s game over. It’s not happening this year, but in 5 years? With how much money they are dumping into the industry?
They don’t care if the country collapses. They’re designing the next one.
The thing about “autonomous AI” is that it isn’t what the large, prominent “AI” companies are researching. The money is being dumped into LLM companies for the most part, and LLMs aren’t a likely way to get fully autonomous robots.
I’m not saying that it isn’t going to happen, especially because they exist somewhat already (drones and palantir). However, when people think “dumping money into the AI industry”, most are thinking of OpenAI, Anthropic and the like, especially since that is actually where the majority of money (and power) is going.
I personally think 5 years is a stretch, but I hope the AI killbots come for me first if I’m wrong, because I wouldn’t want to live on this planet anymore. Also, I’m not sure that this would be a thing in practice, since they could extract labor out of you instead of killing you with robots simply for having a non-registered network device.
If you are internet savvy you could be impressed into cyber attacks, as is common in many countries when criminals and pirates are identified, their intelligence agencies will bail them out to work for them. ie Russia, china, maybe the us already idk.
Well they can try to do that but it won’t work. I already have at least 4 Raspberry Pis, and who knows how many other computers could be lurking around.
They’ll just end up like any other form of draconian prohibition - black markets everywhere. Even my grandpa knew a bootlegger in small town USA where alcohol was illegal.
What they’ll do is make buying second hand as difficult as possible, then make you pay for your devices in a verified way where you are recognized. Every device will most likely have a fingerprint on it so if you connect to the internet through it, all that traffic is tied to you at a hardware level.
Please don’t underestimate the people in these federal agencies. They might not seem like the ones pushing it, but they are absolutely carrying out the will of billionaires who think we deserve nothing. And the people working in these agencies are not dumb, they are smart and they are ruthless.
They are serving people who are determined to get their way. And only a massive, and threatening push back will stop this.
I’m pretty sure that’s part of the point. Kill third party and DIY hardwares and softwares. Even if you could develope alternative tech you can’t monetize it because it wouldn’t meet regulation. The only option becomes hardware as a service, which you validate your age with the host and your pi just becomes virtualized hardware if it exists at all.
It’s not just about survaliance. It’s about crushing self-educators and putting the working class in a digital environment that is one-way and has no exits.
They’re revolutionizing the internet and technology so you can only access what they want and how they want.
Big tech is using very sophisticated methods to lock us out.
You think they’re dumb. But they know exactly what they’re doing. Like they said in the image, these are pedophile run companies telling pedophile run governments how to collect biometric data about every single person using an internet connected device, which is essentially everybody at this point.
You think a Raspberry Pi is hard? Try an elevator.
It has a computer that likely runs the linux kernal, a user interface, the emergecy call feature probably uses VOIP and is likely internet connected, and it may even have hundreds of unique users per day!
I mean, even high power desktops don’t generally come WITH those devices.
I imagine this would be implemented for devices that come with that stuff, which already tells you how easy it will be for actual predators and criminals to avoid this shit while everyone else gets fucked.
Good news! They want to move PC to saas!
Technically a raspberry pi does not need to be an internet connected device but also consider,
- Smart fridges
- robot vacuums/lawn mowers
- some lightbulbs
Hold the lightbulb up to your face to verify your age please
So all this is supposed to be part of what lobbies do - provide subject matter input, recommendations, and direction to lawmakers, so that said lawmakers can make better laws. This protects the lobbies’ interests because they aren’t forced to do unreasonable shit just to comply with nonsense laws.
BUT Citizens United happened, and now lobbies are for funneling money to politicians so that they will produce laws that benefit you, as a company/org, and not the general interest.
I assume they’d probably just say you gotta either have a way to load it on-device (e.g. pre-record a video of your face and a photo of your ID, put on USB drive, plug into Pi), or have a way to wirelessly do so from another device, as long as the device you’re verifying is able to connect to the internet, since otherwise age verification wouldn’t really matter in the first place.
Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to make you give up your personal data no matter what!
I use my desktop PC to browse the web and play games so it does not have a camera.
Our company builds control devices for conferences. They are network accessable. So we would need some kind of age verification for a device that switches microphones on and off. Makes sense, does it?
Gonna need my ID to use my parents’ oven, soon I guess…
(Sorry, I’m from Finland, I don’t know much about the finer points.)
Well this is good. The folks in New York don’t need to worry about mega noisy AI data centers in their backyards anymore!
Or any other kind of datacenters!
Or internet infrastructure as a whole!
ISPs will just have to chuck their gear in the Atlantic! No way they’ll implement this shit for every single piece of gear. Because they know users won’t put up with authorising themselves at every network hop through NY.
Let me quote a joke IT security exam from the late 1990s:
“Your computer has just received a packet from the network. What do you do? Do you need a sledgehammer or is a smaller hammer enough?”
This is what is ahead. Don’t give in!
Internet enabled device? So Ethernet, wifi, and cellular modules? Network switches? Routers? Modem? What does it even mean?
Maybe we just rename the Internet, problem solved. My computer is now milfnet enabled, idk what “Internet” is, I connect to the milfnet.
There are ways to set up clandestine connections of computers, that can connect to the broader internet in a variety of ways. It was designed by the USG in fact, for use in countries they wanted to overthrow. They removed most of the information from finding it on a search page long back, but it includes beaming signals from computer to computer with bluetooth type stuff, the tor and onion routers were part of the projects, sending internet traffic over power lines, and all sorts of stuff. I read about this in detail on a dailykos journal of all places 15 years back or so. Can’t find it now. There was a lot more to it.
My mood gets obliterated whenever I open Lemmy nowadays.
Black times have soaked this platform as well.
its all to feed the surveillance obsessed PALINITIR that thiel has been hawking at govts about. it isnt a coincidence he started coming out of the woodwork and talks about it, when he is always very secretive from the media.
It’s* all to feed
It isn’t* a coincidence
So, like, my internet-connected lightbulbs would have to verify my age, too?
internet-connected lightbulbs
Insert into orifice
Will it light up if I’m an adult? Brb, research.
Hear that? That’s the sound of millions of ER doctors and nurses screaming in despair.
Well deserved upvote!
Any device? So my router? My pet feeder? My raspberry pis?
I’m curious why they want to know how old my cat is indeed.
Also what does it mean connected in this sense? If I install a homeplug device, do all my appliances need to comply as well? They are by then physically connected to the internet.
Edit: they say internet enabled, not connected, so the appliances are safe I guess.
