That the Deutschlanders in the comments are talking about how “he’s no angel” really does say it all.
Did the lady try to talk to her neighbor first?
OOP does not clarify.
But.
I have seen what happens when you put cardboard boxes whole in the cardboard recycling bin: it’s “full” immediately!
I have also seen people who do not remove the styrofoam filling before dumping them.
Or don’t even bother putting them inside the bin, just leaving it by the side.
All that gets my blood boiling. This casual carelessness because “it’s trash, so what?”Again, the first step should always be to point this out to newcomers, but.
The fact that OOP basically says “cardboard is nothing” and says they’d burn it instead tells me they just might be the asshole here.
The neighbor should’ve just talked to OP first.
But yeah, how hard is it for people to flatten their cardboard? Dare I say, it is even fun sometimes getting to stomp on it.
It’s definitely fun!
Yea, I got a slight tingle here of OOP not being entirely without a fault on this one. But then again, my flavour of the ‘tism makes me meticulously fold and compact all of my trash to avoid any wasted space.
OOP didn’t bother to remove the address stickers, a minor effort that would have protected them from this very situation, and if they didn’t bother to do even that…
That said, going straight to the legal system in this situation is also an asshole move. Definitely a case of “we’re probably not getting the whole story, but how would we even know?”
Who tf removes adress stickers before getting rid of trash in their own trashbin
The people in your house already know where you live and whats your name
It’s a privacy measure for recycling specifically that I thought was commonplace. Maybe not in Germany.
Not that it really matters
But where do you think it’s commonplace?
Not all stickers are paper recyclable.
That might be correct
But not what the original comment was about
9/10 times it’s a legit problem, the neighbour would just ask you nicely. If some nutjob writes you an invoice, you can safely ignore it. Going through someone’s trash and photographing indentifying information on the other hand is a felony, so OOP might’ve just found a way to finance that lawyer for themselves.
But this is one side of a story in which the neighbour went from 0 to lawyer with no warning and OOP (presumed innocent and tidy) is apparently fed up with the entire country because of that. Seems to me pretty escalatory by the only side presenting the narrative.
So giving the benefit of the doubt to the othe side: if you are a messy tenant and do not listen to reason, good riddance to you.
If some nutjob writes you an invoice, you can safely ignore it
Disagree: You cannot safely ignore this, because it is not a normal invoice and not some primitive nutjob.
There is a lawyer behind it, and this lawyer wants to get paid. Something that does not go away by itself.
It is just a lawyer - they can ask and demand anything they like. If it’s unjustified (like here for example) just ignore it.
If it’s something from COURT, you HAVE to answer it. But lawyers - don’t give them more credit than they deserve
If it’s unjustified (like here for example)
What do you know about this case that we don’t know?
Context
The OP is living there for three months. Even IF they are the dirtiest of all tenants (which is unlikely, but still possible), if we take into regard you need at least a month or two to settle and get your essential furniture in place, the remaining time is WAY too short to state something like “kind” strikes or advisories first - which is kinda required for such a formal step through a lawyer if you want to make it grounded and with actual reason.
The whole matter does sound like a xenophobic lady with too much time and a very short fuse - and a personal friend of her or her family being the lawyer responsible for the whole matter. That’s why I would simply ignore it for the time being.
you can ignore it if it isn’t a court mandated order. the lawyer wants to be paid, but they don’t need to be paid by OOP. they’re perfectly fine being paid by the harassing neighbor, which is what will happen eventually. there are always some of these harassment cases, and generally they go away if you just ignore them because there is no legal backing. the lawyer just scares you into compliance and if you pay that gets seen as an admission of guilt. there are several types of legal letters but most of them don’t require responding at all.
I can go to a lawyer and tell them to write “8====D” on a letter, then send that letter to you.
If you don’t think you did anything wrong, you can legally ignore anything that is not a formal letter from court.
It might be better to answer to tell them that you will not accept slander and libel and all that, but you should probably ask a lawyer for that. An hour of consultation should not cost that much, really.
From all the nonsense that has been written in this thread…
If you don’t think you did anything wrong, you can legally ignore anything that is not a formal letter from court
… this one is clearly among the worst.
OP is not sure whether it was wrong. He hasn’t even read all the rules of the house yet. Just guessed them…
And he needs to look at his money. But by ignoring arbitrary letters, you can easily make things a whole lot more costly in the end.
you can legally ignore anything that is not a formal letter from court
This is very very much wrong.
Here’s what would probably happen:
- You ignore the cease and desist
- Opponent’s lawyer goes to a judge and gets a preliminary injunction
- You must respond to it AND also cease doing whatever the cease and desist demanded.
Enjoy doing everything through the courts now, which will always cause higher costs than dealing with it privately. Especially if you aren’t 100% in the right.
I’m with you on this. Nothing screams entitlement more than throwing uncut/unfolded boxes in the bin.
Does Germany have felonies?
They are called “Straftaten” but yeah, same general idea.
From how the neighbour is acting it might actually be the landlady. In that case it would be legal for her to do so.
Als jemand, dem es vor zwei Wochen fast den Fingernagel umgeklappt hat beim Versuch, die “gefalteten” Kartons der Nachbarn in die Tonne zu drücken, habe ich absolutes Verständnis mit der alten Dame. In meiner vorherigen Wohnung hatten wir auch eine Person, der das vorherige Zerkleinern der Kartons sehr wichtig war und was soll ich sagen? Sie hatte Recht. Es passt viel mehr in die Tonne, wenn alle es vorher klein machen. Das bedeutet weniger Nebenkosten für alle. Seitdem bin ich auch Kartonagen-Alman.
Man spricht im Allgemeinen erstmal miteinander, bevor man Anwälte, Polizei und Ähnliche einschaltet.
Stimme ich natürlich zu. Mein “Verständnis” bezieht sich auf die Frustration der alten Dame.
Ich beschreite einen Mittelweg bei dem ich alles zusammenfalte und dann ein paar Minuten drauf rumtrampel. Das ist auch super zum Frustabbau.
Altpapier Entsorgung ist fast überall kostenlos, btw
(Ändert jetzt nichts, wenn die Tonne voll ist, aber teurer wird’s nicht)
Hatte men Umzug nach Reutlingen. Absurd viel Kartonage angefallen (möbelverpackungen). Dachte mit ich bring das einfach zum lokalen Wertstoffhof bevor ich da die Container verstopfe. Da wollten die echt etwa 15€ Pauschale haben.
Glücklicherweise war der Typ am Schalter so nett mit den Tipp zu geben, das es einen privaten Entsorger in der Stadt giebt der das möglicherweise umsonst nimmt. Dem war dann auch so.
Absurd. Im ‘Pott’ ist die Entsorgung alle Verpackungsmaterialien beim Recyclingcenter um sonst.
Der Renz im Industriegebiet Betzingen ist cool. Die vernichten dir auch kostenlos Akten, wenn du nett darum bittest.
Genau bei dem war ich dann auch (Grad nochmal nachgeschaut)
Ja, Wertstoffhof ist was anderes. Wobei die je nach Laune auch gerne Mal Haushaltsmengen durchwinken
Normale Müllabfuhr hat meistens Papier inklusive, wenn man Restmüll angemeldet hat
Amen. Ich stampf da einfach immer bisschen drauf rum und das Ding ist klein. Manchmal lass ich noch meine Wut raus und reis es in Stücke. Kanns nur empfehlen.
Aber ein bisschen vorsichtig sein dabei. Man kann sich auch an Kartonkanten unangenehm in die Hände schneiden.
We all know OP didn’t fold his boxes at all and just stuffed them in there, blocking up the system. Every time the lady wanted to use the paper container it would be blocked and she would have to reach in there and remove all of his shit. Then properly collapse the boxes and put them back. OP has also been told multiple times to fix his shit and there is a sign above the paper container as well.
The exact same thing happened where I work. Some idiot would just stuff an unfolded box in the paper container and would block it for everyone.
that’s just ragefiction, none of this is mentioned in the og post
So we should take everything OP says at face value, even though that seems like it’s pretty insane?
You and me both know that people like the old lady in the post exist. I’d also assume that someone who collects compost separately from restmüll will probably fold their boxes in a rational manner.
I know far many assholes like OP that think all the rules are for other people to follow and if they don’t want to do something in a collective environment, they shouldn’t have to. I hope he is moving out. Good riddance on the behalf of all the other residents.
If you think that people exist that DIRECTLY run to a lawyer over cardboard boxes you also believe in the existence of Nigerian princes making you a millionaire for just a few bucks.
Edit: Since people can’t be bothered to read properly I highlighted the KEY WORD in the above sentence.
Or maybe you just don’t meet many people.
My grandmother tried to sue a neighbor over leaves falling from the neighbor’s tree.
Your grandma might have had a chance in court depending on the exact situation.
If there are tree branches growing over her property, then most of the time the neighbor is forced to cut them after is is notified about it.
If its just a few leaves getting blown over by the wind then chances are rather slim, but its still possible she would win. Depends on your jurisdiction, here it has to be a severe impairment of her ability to use the property.
It was leaves from the opposite property line blowing in the wind.
Multiple times a day she would be yelling at my grandfather to go pick them up off the lawn (which was perfectly flat and devoid of anything living except super small grass) and would often go out to the porch just to complain, loudly, about how SHE has to do all this work to “get things presentable”
My grandmother was just awful.
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Of course they exist. How probable is it to meet one vis-a-vis? Quite low. How probable is it too read about a third party encounter on a large social media platform?
How probable is it that the story that OOP told is a lie and there were interactions before?
From his own weasel-wordy description OOP was regularly blocking the shared paper bin of an apartment building. How probable is it that no other neighbor complained before the alleged letter?
How probable is it that OOP is lying to make him appear as some poor victim?
He was accused of blocking the paper bin.
How probable is it that OOP is lying to make him appear as some poor victim?
Considering she involved a lawyer instead of the apartment manager, not as high as she being delulu.
Ah yes, we all “know”, because the terrible neighbour bogeyman in our heads must be real, how could it not? /s
„Wir sind hier nicht in Vietnam! Wir sind in Baden-Württemberg, da gibt es Regeln!“
Krieg, Krieg bleibt immer gleich
Ist Reddit nicht nur noch alles Bots zum Ragebaiten?
Und? Wie hat OP denn die Kartons gefaltet? Ich will ein Fotobeweis, also die Chancen sind eher gering bei der Beschreibung der Nachbarin. Aber villeicht isser ja doch das Arsch?!
Die Kartons waren wahrscheinlich nicht gefaltet?
Point number one: throwing boxes into the bin with your address labels on is fucking dumb.
Point number two: throwing boxes into the paper bin without flattening then is also fucking dumb.
Obviously, if that’s all the guy did (provided this story has any basis in reality at all) sending a letter from a lawyer is totally over the top and in no way justified. I also doubt any lawyer would stoop to that, but then, they’re lawyers, so there’s that. On top of that, unless that neighbour owns the property, they have absolutely no business trying to enforce any rules there.
All in all, either there’s more to this story, or OP met an actual crazy person. These exist everywhere and their craziness manifests in a variety of ways. Sending legal letters is one of the less scary ones, if you ask me.
Why should I have to pull off the DHL stickers of my cart board boxes before I throw it into the trash???
Because then anyone who is able to come to your house can just find your address for free
If they come to my house they will be at my address and if they look at the doorbell panel they will have my name with first initial… Why go through the trash for that??
c/woosh (I hope)
oops, yes, that joke went straight over my head xD
Sheesh good thing then there is no panel with neatly arranged clear names written on it next to the door or something.
Privacy.
Because ppl go through trash to find useful data which they can use to steal your identity.
If you consider yourself careless in regards to your privacy, you should probably presume to already have a criminal record to your name in countries you’ve never visited.
Paranoid shizophrenia is one hell of a drug
You don’t need an actual adress for that. If something has adress verification, you’d also need to camp the mailbox. At which point you don’t need the name beyond what is available at said mailbox anyway. And just getting full names of real people with a general area of living is far easier online.
Sein Fehler war halt nach BW zu ziehen. Ländle of the Kehrwoche, home of the Spießbürger. Machste nix. /s
Anzeige ist natürlich übertrieben, aber unzerkleinerte Kartons in die gemeinsame Tonne zu tun ist schon ziemlich unsozial.
Währenddessen wohne ich in einer niedersächsischen Studentenstadt, wenn die Leute in meinem Haus es hinbekommen den Biomüll aus der plastikverpackung zu nehmen bevor sie ihn in die grüne Tonne werfen ist das seltener als ein Lottogewinn.
Kartons zerkleinern? Absolut utopisch. Muss aber sagen das mache ich selbst auch nur bei größeren Sachen.
Auf der haben seite, wir haben trotzdem selten Platzmangel in den Tonnen.
Bei uns ist auch regelmäßig der wildeste Kram in der Gelben Tonne. Von Wäscheständer über Ventilator bis Kinderwagen schon alles gefunden :/…
Wenn die Nachbarn beim ersten Vorstellen schon betonen “Wir können über alles reden, wir sind ja keine Spießer”, du vom Vormieter weißt das “über alles reden” in Form von “…lautstark mit dem Nachbarn über dir während sie in deinem Garten steht” geschieht, und du dann irgendwann aus dem Nichts per Mail ne Beschwerde bekommst in der dein Schlafzimmer von außen fotografiert wurde und besagte nicht-Spießerin im Spiegelbild sichtbar ist…
Well, don’t think of coming to Switzerland until you learned how to make a proper Bündeli either!
Die Schweiz - Deutschland auf Steroiden.
Just for explanation: The lady has probably not spent money on a lawyer. The lawyer demands it from you as the “guilty” party (presumed guilty, because no court is involved so far).
If you want to save some money, google for the term “modifizierte Unterlassungserklärung”. Hopefully you find good instructions there.
No, she’s in a Mieterschutzverein. They’ll pay the lawyers for the most stupid shit and somehow don’t care about how like 0.01% of their members are racking up 95% of their lawyer costs for insane reasons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
This is one of the many reasons I always destroy anything bearing my name before disposal.
Cover the boxes in fart spray
