And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don’t understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I’m kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.
Do whatever, ruleslawyering is not helpful. Is the community enjoying it? It stays. Is it detrimental? It gets removed. The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
Is someone posting vaguely in the direction of the intent of the community? That would be good enough for me.
Anyone trying to separate posts into increasingly niche communities (like the asinine dontdeadopeninside and nosafetysmokingfirst split on reddit) is not helping the community of posters and lurkers.
The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
I totally agree. Rules number 1, 4, and 5 are the most important, in my opinion. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be rules in the communities; there definitely should be rules. Guidelines for what to post instead of what not to post will probably be more beneficial.
We need to keep the cycle going. Remove the post, so that OP can make their own fuck this I’m done post.
I don’t tend to think of wpt as specifically twitter posts. Maybe that’s how it started, but over time it has become a more generalized “screenshots of short text posts” type of thing in my mind. The “or similar” in the rules leaves a lot of ambiguity, but in my mind Twitter was always about short text posts, so any short text posts would fall under that “similar” umbrella. I wouldn’t object to seeing something from Facebook, Instagram, or Reddit being posted here as long as it was a text post and not super long, so it feels disingenuous to complain about a Lemmy post being here.
Especially since, twitter isn’t even twitter anymore. And the only thing you are going to get from what twitter has become is ragebait, bots, and racism. For “whitepeopletwitter” to continue and not end up dying from lack of content, it needs to start opening up to other sources that stick with the same idea as what twitter used to supply.
I think it’s the mod reason for removing that the person who reported it had a problem with.
It probably shouldn’t be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.
Edit: This is an awesome approach to moderation btw. People like you make lemmy great, thank you!
I was searching for a community to post it, but I couldn’t find any. This one seemed closer to the idea l, a post where it says something. I also think I saw a photo from Facebook in this community, so…m Maybe we need a community about posts like these, but not twitter.
You can post it in my community. Or Lemmy Shitpost. Here’s a link:https://lemmy.world/c/itsashitworld
Is there a lemmydrama like subredditdrama? Maybe a fedidrama community would work. I don’t know if one exists yet
I havent read the rules of the comm. but ive always perceived whitepeopletwitter as a place to post text based social media screenshots.
People like this need to accept and understand that we don’t want to talk about US politics everywhere, all the time.
Fighting to remove as many posts as possible on Lemmy when we barely get any posts at all doesn’t make sense; ignore the people requesting you take a popular post down for some potential technicality.
You’re right.
I’m going to start posting my gunpla in cooking communities because we need content.
We have trolls here too. I’m okay if they take a hike, lol.
It should be in YPTB, but they’ll just use that as more proof of their “outrage”.
the original was twitter
As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I’m not sure what this means
Yes, that’s what I mean. It was on a twitter like site.
Sounds fine to me, if this is a picture of a Twitter-like site then I don’t really see an issue
I am not sure how this changes the “the post was against the states rules which are there for a reason and the mod was the absolute most gentle about it” facts.
Did I get the facts wrong?
I don’t see the original. All I see are Lemmy related images and that, to me, doesn’t belong here.
Yea I’m avoiding american polotics as much as I can as well. Otherwise, it is EVERYTHING I see online.
There be some dumb motherfuckers in here.
Ignores the don’t X here sign then gets mad when they aren’t allowed to X
“It’s so unfair!” … as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml’s authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they’ve never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don’t like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.
Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.
Took about two seconds.
Voat was so fucking toxic. Radioactive hate swamp.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
Yes, you got me: by “hidden rules” I obviously meant the very highly visible, non-hidden ones, placed where nobody can miss them at the top of the page.
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald’s hides the Big Mac from the public too.
The issue with a “no politics” rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.
Okay and if the users of that community are happy with that and you are free to stay away, where is the problem exactly?
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say. Even in the fediverse, moderators aren’t chosen democratically. Yeah, you can start your own community and try to build it up, but inertia is not in your favor.
Anyway, my point is that a “no politics” rule is not really reasonable. You can have one, and you can enforce it however you want. It will always just end up causing issues though. For example: look up Nazi degenerate art. It’s just art, right? However, to them it was political, and it was political in a way they didn’t like, so they removed it from society.
No moderator is perfect. Even if you trust them, blurry rules probably aren’t the best. There’s better ways to define the intent than “no politics” that create clear borders of what’s allowed and what isn’t. Blurry rules are usually best for those who want to abuse it.
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say.
Yes that is because they don’t carry any of the responsibilities of running the server. Why would they be allowed to decide?
I didn’t say they should. Your comment implied that they did (or at least implies participation is consent). I just pointed out that they, in fact, do not. There is no value judgement in that statement.
I am excited to see how your lemmy instance works out. When will it go online?
I just saw this post on “All”. I’m not part of this community and I don’t care to open an alternative for it. I’m just point out how blurry rules are open for abuse. Just because you agree with the person running things today doesn’t mean someone in the future won’t use it to remove something you want to stay. I don’t understand how people don’t get this yet.
has a very mild run-in with one singular community’s admin “That’s it, I’m done with the entire platform !”
And a respectful and considerate encounter at that
I had to switch instances a couple times before I found one who kinda tolerates my bullshit.
Are they both the same person?
Let me guess, European hosted? Yeah I ditched them for their suppression of pro-Luigi speech. Fuck em.
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It’s hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
Daft_ish has got a real problem if they’re that outraged by the mod’s response. I’ve seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn’t it.
US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.
I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country’s politics, because you can’t get away from it without blocking most posts on here.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Inb4: “You’re just privileged enough not to have to think about it.”
No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn’t mean that I never talk about politics either, it’s like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!
This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what’s happening with our country.
But I’ve had to pare down the places where I see it. I’ve stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just…can’t anymore.
I’m acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.
But man…the right’s “flood the zone” works effectively and I can’t just keep burning out.
Exactly. We’re not blind or don’t care about politics. I’m more than aware of my country’s problems and the US’s…
But how am I meant to not burn out on this stuff if I can’t get away from it?
Sure I could just detox from social media and go work on something that interests me, and that’s what I do most of the time…
But sometimes I do still want to chat with others, and it’d be nice to be able to do that and have it not be about politics.
I know more about US politics than my own country’s politics, which is a problem because it’s an election year and the Nazis need to get out of parliament.
I need to get into the details of things so I can do my civic duty, but I’m fucking exhausted from all the American politics that for my own sanity I just don’t want to.
Exactly. The far right of most countries barely even need to try anymore, the US has gotten so good at flooding the news that they even burn out people from other countries from the constant cynicism
I don’t understand why have comms literally about politics and world news if you’re just going to post the same stuff to any other comm that really doesn’t need that kind of content. If people keep ignoring what belongs where, why have comms at all? Idk, maybe it’s my OCD talking…
Yeah, so when I go to shitpost and people start taking the posts seriously, I try to say hey folks, look where you are, this isn’t a serious community, let’s keep the shit light.
And so yeah, when folks shoehorn political agendas into literally any community they can, I’ll point out how it’s got nothing to do with the community, and how it’s frustrating, because it does not further the community, it just furthers that person’s (or bot’s) agenda.
I won’t say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don’t want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it’s not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what’s happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
That said, I’m fine with having a general “news” that allows it all, “political news” that is strictly political, “apolitical news” that allows everything else but politics, “uplifting news” that is actually uplifting, “climate news” that is specifically about that, “science news” etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we’re not running out of room to store them.
I think part of why it’s like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it’s like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.
Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y’know putting their politics where it didn’t belong (“weird” that it’s the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.
Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she’s eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is
Brb gonna post this in a political community, because community rules don’t matter the other way so I should be good, right?
What are rules for if not breaking?
Following.
Is that a baby sloth?
I’m not the sort that gushes all the time about baby animals, but that is like the cutest little thing ever. I want to squish it and pet it.
It is!
Lemmyshitposts doesn’t have a rule against political posts and I fucking hate it. Shitposts are sacred. A shitpost is just silly, irreverent humor. That’s it. The moment you bring an agenda into that space it changes into something else.
There was a while there where I was really into wholesome memes. People really don’t get what wholesome is. I started getting legitimately upset at what people thought was appropriate there so I had to block the communities.
A few years ago on reddit I tried to put together a little multireddit of wholesome and positive-news subs, but so many of the posts were Orphan Crushing Machine material that I gave up :/
I remember that. It’s seems to have toned down a little but, like, no Lemmy, a murder revenge fantasy isn’t a wholesome meme. Jfc
on the flip side there’s the million “orphan crushing machine forgot to crush one orphan today! so wholesome!” type posts that are even worse imho…
you know the ones: “kids save up to buy wheelchair for classmate”, “kid works 80h weeks to pay off lunch debt”, “kid works at meat packing plant after school to afford bicycle”, and on and on.
each is more depressing than the previous.
these types of posts are the exact opposite of wholesome, yet frequently get upvoted on wholesome communities and it’s just…what is wrong with people? why would you think that shit is wholesome??
neither the stuff you mentioned, nor the orphan crushing machine stuff should be on wholesome communities.
tbf, i noticed the popular wholesome comms seem to be doing a lot better on this front lately! waaay less orphan crushing machine, and way less of the “x died, yippee!” posts.
For sure, those were the posts that ultimately got me off other social media and lead me here, haha.
I think that’s been dealt with since in case you want to check again.
I would make c/politicalshitposts but I am not responsible enough to be in charge of anything other then a Crack pipe and a liquor bottle.
As somebody who just came here from Reddit, I find all of these communities refreshingly free of American politics.
I have the complete opposite experience, I almost cannot escape it here. My reddit infinite scroll was way more diverse, here it’s exclusively american politics and linux, and if it wasn’t for linux I would quit this whole platform
I would have already went back to reddit if it wasn’t for the ability to block communities.
On a side note, welcome.
If you haven’t figured this out already and your front page feels stale, then switch around to “Hot,” “Top 6 Hours” or “Active.” Active is the default and feels stale on topics.
I like “scaled”
Am I the only “All” enjoyer? I dont even subscribe to communities.
I’m on “All” right now 😎
Not saying mod was wrong but… It’s weird how we define politics.
Like, if portals started randomly appearing all over the Earth, spawning little goblins that like to turn human bodies inside-out, that would pretty clearly not be politics — but only for like 2 months.
After a while, the political parties would settle on their positions (probably with one of them calling it a hoax), and from that point forward saying “I can’t believe people are okay with the inside-out goblins” will be labeled “political”.
Which I guess is basically how fascism wins so easily. As long as it’s impolite to acknowledge the horrors of the world, it’s okay for them to continue.
Still, though - c/showerthoughts?
Like, in all seriousness, I don’t think lack of ability to flood a Lemmy community, least of all the one in question, is going to have any effect on the matter. Like, at all.
It appears the post was removed, so the system worked, right?
I mean, I think about the horros.of the world.in the shower.
If literal hell on earth was happening, and I was spending most of my real world time dealing with it, and there was nowhere I could go to escape from it and people exclusively talked about it all of the time, I would kill myself. We are allowed to stop talking about it sometimes.
We’re not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It’s not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
Using it as an analogy, how does going to a bunch of kids who can barely take care of themselves and asking them to save the world actually help?
The people on fediverse already know about the horrors, most are against the horrors and are trying to help. They don’t need more requests or more prodding with a stick. They need more thanks for standing up instead, if anything.
The target audience is the wide world beyond this place. The ones that can help but don’t. The ones in charge or the ones putting them in charge.
A successful social interaction requires selecting the right audience and the correct circumstances. And a lot of the communities here ain’t either.
We’re not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It’s not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
This was the attitude of millions of Americans.
I don’t disagree with you at all, you didn’t do this, you aren’t responsible for it but it’s here nonetheless. My kiddo is recovering from surgery right now, it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t ask for it, but if we didn’t do something about it, he would have had terrible repercussions from it. Did we have to do it, no, we could have just noted it and hoped it would take care of itself. Was it unfair, absolutely. But he’s got meds to take, and even though he didn’t ask for any of this, he’s doing what he needs to to get better.
I’m truly sorry, as someone from one of the places fucking up the world. I too did not ask for this, and I’ve been trying as hard as I can to prevent and now stop this. The horrors will continue, it’s happening in places all across the world, I hope it doesn’t arrive for you.
Ok, so would you like me to follow you around lemmy and constantly remind you of your kid’s surgery on every single post, or would you like to continue being able to talk about things related to whatever community you’re in so that maybe for a brief second you can have a bit of peace?
I’d be willing to do that for you, if you feel like you’re missing out and like people shoving politics where it doesn’t belong just because “it’s here nonetheless,” I can shove your personal issues where they don’t belong for you and hopefully that cheers you up.
Sigh, analogies are a bit much for some people huh?
Sorry if some folks have shower thoughts about things that are happening in the world. Ignore the thoughts you can’t handle or grasp. The world has a lot of shit happening and a lot of people take showers.
Sigh, counting is just too much for some people. Turns out c/showerthoughts has more than one rule: must be showerthought. That is rule 1 but you’ll notice rule 3 is quite clear:
And they even offer an alternative appropriate community right there. So, y’know fuck off and stuff.
You are very angry about this. I’m conversing about the post here, I haven’t said a thing in showerhoughts. Doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.
Have a lovely day friendo.
Well, “the post here” is talking about posting political things in showerthoughts, a community with a rule saying “no politics,” and yes I’m very angry that I can’t even get a short respite from politics even where it’s disallowed by name. It’s incredibly annoying and contributing to political burnout not just for me but many others here too. You repeating the same line as those that ignore the community rules, “it’s happening regardless,” isn’t super helpful, and on a post where they’re all here defending their evangelism, yeah you came off as defending it too.
I don’t care if “it’s happening regardless,” when I go to c/dogpics to avoid it for a brief break I don’t need it there too, thus cheating me out of my break. It’s the internet equivalent of my boss making me work through my break at work and it’s just as annoying. Have all the opinions you want, just don’t post them in some community with “no opinions” in the sidebar and we’re all good.
You have a nice day too pal.
Typical troll bullshit, go away
5 words and I’m the troll.
Best of luck bud.
