The reason why we hate it is because it creates confusion about what a “vegan” is. Nobody cares if you want to eat an entirely plant-based diet except for bacon, but calling it “vegan + bacon” is misleading. It would be like if a Christian went around calling themselves an “atheist” because they disbelieve in all gods except for the one true God in the Bible. That isn’t how the term “atheist” is commonly used and understood.
Vegans already have to deal with people who think that vegan is the same as vegetarian, or that veganism has something to do with health (it doesn’t), or that it means you’re also gluten-free, etc.
I recently ordered a sandwich labeled “vegan” at a restaurant. Mayonnaise was listed as one of the ingredients. Of course, there is vegan mayo, but I thought I better ask just to make sure. Maybe these people don’t know what “vegan” is. Sure enough, the mayo was made in-house, and it contained eggs! I was trying to explain to the lady that eggs weren’t vegan and her menu was misleading people, but her English wasn’t very good and she couldn’t understand me. So I finally just gave up and ordered the sandwich without mayo.
Speak for yourself, I absolutely do not hate it. If someone says they are “vegan+something” or “I am mostly vegan” etc, it means they are trying, and doing vastly better than most people on the planet. And to me that is far more valuable than some minor inconvenience I might encounter due to mislabels.
to be entirely fair to Vegans, I have also developed a milk allergy in the last couple of years (not lactose intolerance, allergy to milk protein) and am now consuming non-dairy and vegan replacements for it. So my irritation might be unwarranted
No, because they actually agree with them*. Everyone doing activism for a cause I believe in could never be wrong! Any call for optics is just tone policing!
Oh, the vegans? Obviously they are too aggressive, what about the optics? I’m very smart!
As with any group, the most unreasonable ones who have a desire to shit on people are often the loudest and get disproportionately more attention.
That’s the same dynamic why conservatives think feminists hate men, for example. It doesn’t mean it’s representative.
Most vegans have been meat eaters for most of their life and didn’t went vegan overnight either. Many also recognize that going 100% vegan can seem very daunting to people who have never tried being vegetarian for a week or something like that yet. It certainly seemed daunting to me at first.
I now wish we could stop all factory farming today, but that’s not how human psychology works, and it’s not how societal change works. Some vegans aren’t emotionally able to accept that, but most probably will at some point.
The main struggle for the accessibility of vegan food is having more plant-based options in supermarkets and restaurants, and more people who are trying/choosing the alternatives (when they are available and decent) would go a long way to make it easier for all. So I’d always encourage people to take steps to improve the situation.
The “all or nothing” mentality just creates unnecessary barriers and some people really need to recognize that. People have to be able to take positive steps without feeling the need to make a big commitment.
‘I’m anti rape except on tuesdays. The anti rape people hate this’
Yeah wonder why.
If you recognize something is morally wrong it’s fucking weird to carve out arbitrary exceptions.
*Oh weird, the people who don’t think it’s wrong to hurt animals are upset by the idea that vegans see hurting animals as wrong. If you actually think something is morally wrong you would find the hypocrisy to be offensive.
If you aren’t vegan for the animals, then you aren’t vegan. Most people think that “vegan” is a diet, and it isn’t. This is unfortunate, but I think that vegans are partly to blame for this. I think that a lot of us believed that we could woo people over to our side with yummy food and avoid all of those awkward, uncomfortable conversations about animal abuse. The net result is that people’s palates expanded to include more plant protein (which is good), but many of them quit being vegan because they had no compelling rationale to remain vegan (which is bad).
Well first of all you made sure to get the soft shelled right? And since you opted for no sour cream did you atleast get guac? You need some level of lubricant since the meats not as greasy as it used to be…
AND NO refried beans are not lubricant they are to thick…
its none of our business why some individual or culture may or may not be complete 100% vegan by your standards. give yourself a break and stop judging others so harshly, youll feel better. things arent black and white morally wrong or right, especially the purchases of someone whos trying to do better. im a neurodivergent pan vegan arch linux user, i get it.
murder is wrong until you encounter hitler. ofc threres general ethical norms, but i was trying to express that reality is messy and nuance exists. that i dont think there are so many absolutes.
That entirely depends on the person and their values. For some an augment about environmental impact might work, for others an argument about empathy could do the trick. But attacking is rarely a good basis for a discussion that ends up changing anyone’s mind.
If getting called a name that hits uncomfortably close to home is what prevents someone from changing, they weren’t actually going to change in the first place and are just shopping for excuses.
As someone who digs up and eats the dead I find you lumping me in with rest of these people offensive. There’s been a long history of corpse munching in my family and it’s always been for ethical reasons.
Shrugs vegans just don’t get it. Neither does anyone else but it’s fucking tradition and I’m keeping it alive.
The vegans mostly hate this. Which is probably why no one cares about outspoken vegans
The reason why we hate it is because it creates confusion about what a “vegan” is. Nobody cares if you want to eat an entirely plant-based diet except for bacon, but calling it “vegan + bacon” is misleading. It would be like if a Christian went around calling themselves an “atheist” because they disbelieve in all gods except for the one true God in the Bible. That isn’t how the term “atheist” is commonly used and understood.
Vegans already have to deal with people who think that vegan is the same as vegetarian, or that veganism has something to do with health (it doesn’t), or that it means you’re also gluten-free, etc.
I recently ordered a sandwich labeled “vegan” at a restaurant. Mayonnaise was listed as one of the ingredients. Of course, there is vegan mayo, but I thought I better ask just to make sure. Maybe these people don’t know what “vegan” is. Sure enough, the mayo was made in-house, and it contained eggs! I was trying to explain to the lady that eggs weren’t vegan and her menu was misleading people, but her English wasn’t very good and she couldn’t understand me. So I finally just gave up and ordered the sandwich without mayo.
Speak for yourself, I absolutely do not hate it. If someone says they are “vegan+something” or “I am mostly vegan” etc, it means they are trying, and doing vastly better than most people on the planet. And to me that is far more valuable than some minor inconvenience I might encounter due to mislabels.
As a diagnosed celiac, I also get annoyed when people lump me in with the Vegans
As someone diagnosed with celiac disease and a vegan, I hate to reinforce the stereotype
to be entirely fair to Vegans, I have also developed a milk allergy in the last couple of years (not lactose intolerance, allergy to milk protein) and am now consuming non-dairy and vegan replacements for it. So my irritation might be unwarranted
the problem is not the veganism, but the outspokenism. no one cares about outspoken anybodies.
Do you have a problem with outspoken anti-fascists?
No, because they actually agree with them*. Everyone doing activism for a cause I believe in could never be wrong! Any call for optics is just tone policing! Oh, the vegans? Obviously they are too aggressive, what about the optics? I’m very smart!
As with any group, the most unreasonable ones who have a desire to shit on people are often the loudest and get disproportionately more attention.
That’s the same dynamic why conservatives think feminists hate men, for example. It doesn’t mean it’s representative.
Most vegans have been meat eaters for most of their life and didn’t went vegan overnight either. Many also recognize that going 100% vegan can seem very daunting to people who have never tried being vegetarian for a week or something like that yet. It certainly seemed daunting to me at first.
I now wish we could stop all factory farming today, but that’s not how human psychology works, and it’s not how societal change works. Some vegans aren’t emotionally able to accept that, but most probably will at some point.
The main struggle for the accessibility of vegan food is having more plant-based options in supermarkets and restaurants, and more people who are trying/choosing the alternatives (when they are available and decent) would go a long way to make it easier for all. So I’d always encourage people to take steps to improve the situation.
The “all or nothing” mentality just creates unnecessary barriers and some people really need to recognize that. People have to be able to take positive steps without feeling the need to make a big commitment.
you cant just judge us (mostly) all like that
‘I’m anti rape except on tuesdays. The anti rape people hate this’
Yeah wonder why.
If you recognize something is morally wrong it’s fucking weird to carve out arbitrary exceptions.
*Oh weird, the people who don’t think it’s wrong to hurt animals are upset by the idea that vegans see hurting animals as wrong. If you actually think something is morally wrong you would find the hypocrisy to be offensive.
If you aren’t vegan for the animals, then you aren’t vegan. Most people think that “vegan” is a diet, and it isn’t. This is unfortunate, but I think that vegans are partly to blame for this. I think that a lot of us believed that we could woo people over to our side with yummy food and avoid all of those awkward, uncomfortable conversations about animal abuse. The net result is that people’s palates expanded to include more plant protein (which is good), but many of them quit being vegan because they had no compelling rationale to remain vegan (which is bad).
Never get in the way of Taco Tuesday… I swear that little tortilla was asking for it.
confused erection
Instructions unclear; dick stuck in taco shell. (Note: there’s no sour cream in this picture.)
Well first of all you made sure to get the soft shelled right? And since you opted for no sour cream did you atleast get guac? You need some level of lubricant since the meats not as greasy as it used to be…
AND NO refried beans are not lubricant they are to thick…
The chilis made my dick hurt. Very confused
Dude your supposed to ask for mild with the side of sour cream… Shits not rocket appliances…
No crema. Only salsa, onions, cilantro, and lime
What kind of salsa? Depending on style it might work well, just make sure you’ve got no cuts or it’s gonna burn.
Well unless you like that then well… Let’s talk
Verde o rojo picante. The standard
It was nice of you to show up and make the point! Have a good day!
its none of our business why some individual or culture may or may not be complete 100% vegan by your standards. give yourself a break and stop judging others so harshly, youll feel better. things arent black and white morally wrong or right, especially the purchases of someone whos trying to do better. im a neurodivergent pan vegan arch linux user, i get it.
Some things absolutely are black and white morally right or wrong.
murder is wrong until you encounter hitler. ofc threres general ethical norms, but i was trying to express that reality is messy and nuance exists. that i dont think there are so many absolutes.
Murder isn’t categorically wrong. Some things are. Rape is always wrong, there’s no situation where it’s ok to do it.
Were talking about buying groceries, not rape.
And a rapist would similarly downplay their crimes.
Oh no why won’t the corpsemunchers like me 😢
Calling people who eat meat ‘corpsemunchers’ is definitely going to convince them to change, yep
What would convince them to change?
That entirely depends on the person and their values. For some an augment about environmental impact might work, for others an argument about empathy could do the trick. But attacking is rarely a good basis for a discussion that ends up changing anyone’s mind.
If getting called a name that hits uncomfortably close to home is what prevents someone from changing, they weren’t actually going to change in the first place and are just shopping for excuses.
Worked on me 🤷 be honest about what you are so you know why you should change
So now you eat only vegetable corpses ?
As someone who digs up and eats the dead I find you lumping me in with rest of these people offensive. There’s been a long history of corpse munching in my family and it’s always been for ethical reasons.
Shrugs vegans just don’t get it. Neither does anyone else but it’s fucking tradition and I’m keeping it alive.