• violet08@lemmy.todayOP
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    “Asian. Black. Hispanic. White. Long ago, the four races lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the White Nation attacked. Only the Avatar, master of all four races, could stop them, but when the world needed them most, they vanished. A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, a White Girl named Ariana. And although her singing skills are great, she has a lot to learn before she’s ready to save anyone. But I believe Ariana can save the world.”

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      8 hours ago

      This is top tier right here. High quality dank memes made fresh to order. I think the meme economy went bust, but I almost want to invest.

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            I know that. You know that. Antonio Banderas knows that. But Americans are funny about race. They didn’t count Italians as white. They didn’t even count the Irish as white.

            But a line gets drawn somewhere I guess, and without exception it gets drawn where the wealth disparities arise.

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        Hispanic people are from Hispanic countries, white people look white. This is literally as far as the distinction goes and is exactly why dividing people up based on skin color is useless.

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          Yes it’s confusing because “white” is a cultural category not a phenotype. Where I grew up the Hispanic people were the white people - all the rich Cubans who fled Castro, and people from Spain. You can be Hispanic & white, or black, or brown, it just means your grandparents spoke Spanish, basically. And it’s so funny because it was the white people who brought the Spanish language to the americas in the first place.

          It’s not possible to understand racists with logic. Their ideas are illogical.

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          One of my coworkers commented on one of our difficult patients calling the weekend crew racist against them and how ridiculous it was because both the patient and the weekend nurses are black. I was like oh yeah no that’s because the weekend nurses aren’t black (being a cultural term for African-American), they’re African. Emphasis on the not-born-American. That’s different (to people who care about that sort of thing). Is it rational? Not even a little, but racism, despite the claims of phrenology et al, is about as far from rational as you can get.

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        The USA was mostly colonized by Germans, Irish, and English. So skin tones are usually much lighter.

        Central and South America had a larger indigenous population, and the Spanish/Portuguese colonizers had a bit darker skin, with much more frequent inter racial relationships.

        However, the region in question is fucking huge. Don’t expect Mexicans, Columbians, Argentinians to all look the same.

        Really Hispanic is more of a cultural category for all things with Spanish Legacy.

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          It gets massively more complicated the more granular you get.

          There are hundreds, if not thousands of distinct people groups in Latin and South America.

          Many of them can directly tie their lineage back to the Maya, Aztecs, etc, and those societies themselves were amalgamations of many different people groups.

          There are a ridiculous number of variations of Spanish that have different vocabulary, pronounciations rules, as a result of merging with local languages in different ways.

          I would imagine the same is the case with Brazil and Portuguese. I don’t know any Portuguese, but I do know that I’ve heard Brazillians say they often have trouble understanding Portugal-Portuguese and visa versa… and Brazil is fucking huge.


          … ‘Hispanic’ is roughly the American equivalent of ‘European’.

          Oh, he’s European, he’s from Europe.

          Oh, he’s Hispanic, he’s from south of the US.

          Are proper Spaniards, people actually from Spain … Hispanic?

          Uh well… according the the US government, basically, maybe. Are they brown? If yes, Hispanic.

          That is pretty much how it works.

          https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/12/who-is-hispanic/

          As with most race-based terms… it doesn’t actually make barely any sense.

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            Are proper Spaniards, people actually from Spain … Hispanic?

            None that I know would consider that that term describes them, neither do I. And I’m from Spain, so I know quite a bit of Spaniards.

            The word hispanic is used in “hispanohablante”, which is a word to describe countries or communities that speak Spanish outside of Spain, naturally.

            However, when talking about “hispanohablante” (spanish speaking) communities in Europe for example, the term doesn’t distinguish between South Americans or Spaniards, so idk. It’s just weird to think of us as Spanish speaking people, we are in Spain, of course we speak Spanish. Duh.

            Uh well… according the the US government, basically, maybe. Are they brown? If yes, Hispanic.

            In defense of those southern Spaniards, the US govt. can eat my white dick.

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              That’s honestly good to know that you as a Spanaird (and your fellows) don’t identify as Hispanic.

              Because I have had to work with data sets, in the US, with ‘race’ data, that has to be in compliance with US govt standards, and… yeah ‘Hispanic’ just doesn’t make any sense, even when you go into the ‘logic’ of it.

              In defense of those southern Spaniards, the US govt. can eat my white dick.

              Oh I fully agree.

              I’ve got a bit of Italian heritage, and… oh dear lord, you’ll get a similar kind of nonsense happening with southern Italians / Sicillians… Italians in general weren’t even considered ‘white’ untill… the 70s?

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                Italians in general weren’t even considered ‘white’ untill… the 70s?

                Why does this just make me think of those tweets from when Luigi was arrested

                we’re finally on the verge of learning once and for all if Italians are White

                And once he received terrorism charges

                The final answer on “what are Italians” is apparently “middle eastern”

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                In fact, the “white” race makes no fucking sense. The term is caucasian, and it includes people from all around Europe, the middle east and north Africa.

                The “race” questionnaire has Egypt as “white”, so following that logic anyone from Morocco or anywhere in Spain would also be “white”. Just based on the questionnaire.

                Dunno, weird. I still don’t understand why anything besides country of origin needs to be registered, though.

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            I’ve met people from South America (Brazil specifically) that take great offense at being referred to as Hispanic and insist that they are in fact Latino.

            This was also a long time ago

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                Latino means from Latin America, meaning “the part of the Americas where people talk languages derived from Latin”. Brazilian is derived from Portuguese, which in turn comes from Latin, so yeah the term tracks.

                Hispanic is derived from the Spanish term “Hispano hablante” (spanish speaking), so it only describes Spanish speaking countries.

                Regardless, some people might take offence with the Hispanic term due to its derogatory use in the US and that’s why they prefer the “Latino” term. I’m not gonna challenge their preference, it’s better to use what each prefers.

                Hope this helps.

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          …my family ethnicity is mostly ulster scot, english/celt/french mutts who emigrated stateside before the american revolution; i’ve worked crews where i was the only english speaker and they all presumed i was argentinian…

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          Thank you for breaking this down. I was astonished sometime around the year 2000 when someone told me that Christina Aguilera is Latina. Blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, how? But her last name definitely sounds exotic so that’s fair 🤷🏼‍♀️

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          Would you consider a latino + white couple an interracial couple? The categories to select from are white, Asian, and black - after that there’s typically a question to identify if a person is Hispanic.

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            White and black is just a product of the USA slave system.

            In Spanish territory they had:

            1. Peninsulares (Spaniards born in Spain)
            2. Creoles (born in New Spain of Spanish parents)
            3. Mestizos (born of Spanish and Indigenous Peoples parents)
            4. Indigenous Peoples
            5. Enslaved persons (brought from Africa and the Caribbean)

            What is considered in a race changes over time. Hell, at times Jews and Irish weren’t considered white. Just dirty “others”. It’s only when the top caste hold on things is challenged do they let others join the ruling group.

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        Hispanic refers to a person with a mix of native American and Spanish heritage created when the Spaniards conquered Latin America.

        White generally just refers to a caucasian-looking person.

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    I forgave her when I realized she is a method actress. Whenever she becomes an entirely different person for a period of time, it’s simply what she’s always done. She’s an artist, she lives & breathes & becomes whatever role she’s currently in. She’s not confused or having an identity crisis, she is doing what millions of girls would love to do if we had enough time & money & freedom to experiment so wildly with our appearance & identity.

    Most kids have to muddle through public School being told that if we do everything we’re told, then all our dreams will come true and we’ll be successful. Only to discover long after graduation that it was all a lie, all we can do is get a job to eke out survival, our hopes & dreams never see the light of day.

    Now imagine being Ariana grande, deciding at age four you want to be a singer dancer and actress and by the age of eight you’re starring in the lead role of a local community theater play, and by age 13 you’re on Broadway, and through your teenage years you’re starring on an international cable tv show and then you become a pop star and the world can’t get enough of you. Ariana casually mentioned once that she’s literally a witch, and her brother has mentioned their family is into cannibalism, except for Ariana, because she’s vegan, 🤔 so yeah there’s a wild rabbit hole we could go down.

    Please excuse my way-too-many-paragraphs in response to this lighthearted meme. I’m going through some stuff right now.

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      could you maybe expand on pretty much every single sentence you wrote

      I’d love to read it

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        Here are some fun links to expound on some things I said ☺️

        https://youtu.be/ryFj0brcNEA

        https://youtube.com/shorts/ypSvnEtZenE

        https://youtu.be/daGi-lI3wiU

        https://youtu.be/fMxjIyiso7U

        The one where she says she’s a literal witch, time stamp 27:13 https://youtu.be/dEp1T8GKWaI but you won’t find it satisfying because she included no context and she did not explain anything. Her interview goes on for a total of 90 minutes and she never really says much of anything, non-stop talking without saying much of anything at all. you know how celebrities are.

        Okay I’m tired now. it took me forever to find that timestamp, and I just worked a full day at work and have to work again all day tomorrow so 😴

        Oh one more thing before I 😴, regarding being a method actress, one of her idols is Jim Carrey, he is a method actor too. That’s all I’ve got but just observe her over the years in all of her projects, she is a method actress.

        The cannibal quote from her brother, I’m sure you could find it as easily as I could, I’ll find it next time, but it also reminds me she said once if she could have lunch with any person living or dead, she sweetly said “Jeffrey Dahmer.”

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      I can’t excuse it, in fact I need more information about this, let’s pick back up around the witch part and expand from there

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    Can someone explain this to me? I’m out of the loop when it comes to mainstream social media, and I suspect that’s what this is about…