• DahGangalang@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      48
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      Trying to be “facts forward” so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.

      The method of collecting semen I’m most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.

      As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery “sleeve” on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull’s penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he’s inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.

      I’ve been out of that area for over a decade now so a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that’s how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.

      Edit: I distinctly recall the “artificial vagina” being on a stick (and laughing about it in class), but best video I can find on the quick: https://youtu.be/-4ma3WeOxbo

        • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic “breed this bull with this cow” arrangement, but still somewhat not good.

        • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          8 months ago

          Ew.

          So that is to say, as far as you know, the method I describe above more or less still applies for pigs, sheep, etc?

          • furry toaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            8 months ago

            yes those methods are pretty universal

            ew? heh, thats not even the worst stuff, look up how artificial semination is done in goats, it is really bad, efectively a surgery has to be done

      • bearboiblake [he/him]@pawb.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        8 months ago

        You left out the rest, where the calf is seperated from its mother, tortured and killed for veal, while the mother mourns the loss of her child that the milk she produces is actually for, so the milk can be stolen from her for profit.

          • bearboiblake [he/him]@pawb.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 months ago

            Did you know that one of the common methods of turning pigs into pork is to lower them into a chamber filled with carbon dioxide so that the pigs suffocate to death? They scream out in agony while dying. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs, if not moreso.

    • remon@ani.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      33
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      8 months ago

      Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it’s not sexual.

          • Anisette [any/all]@quokk.au
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            15
            arrow-down
            22
            ·
            8 months ago

            If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?

              • Anisette [any/all]@quokk.au
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                11
                arrow-down
                10
                ·
                8 months ago

                right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won’t explicate on them. I just want to say, you don’t have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don’t want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can’t afford to. You can just say “that shit’s fucked up”.

                • remon@ani.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  12
                  arrow-down
                  6
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.

                • remon@ani.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  7
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  8 months ago

                  Others Beings have rights

                  Only if we say so. We invented the entire “rights” thing in the first place and we’re kind of in charge of handing them out.

                  If you believe in god(s)

                  Nope, just plain old non-existence after death for me.

                  • GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    7
                    ·
                    8 months ago

                    1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.

                    By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.

        • testfactor@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          8 months ago

          If non-human animals cannot consent, isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

          If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

          • lalo@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            8 months ago

            isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

            Non-human animals aren’t moral agents and can’t be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can’t say a hurricane has done something immoral.

            Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.

          • ageedizzle@piefed.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            8 months ago

            Compare: it’s rape to have sex with someone underage, but two underage people can have sex with each other without it being rape.