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What’s a $5 shake taste like?
If you raise wages, you raise good prices.
What we really need to be doing is raising the value of a dollar. We can do this by paying down our debt.
Or
Expanding our military and crushing oppsition, and forcing the world to use USD while paying them slave wages. (That’s how we had a middle class after world war 2 and the use of the petroldollar)
It’s only normalized if dipshits buy it.
In the long-ago mists of the 00s, Hardee’s advertised a “Six Dollar Burger” that was actually only $3.95 because six dollars for a fast food burger was obviously silly.
And today I can’t stand going to Hardees becasue they are the most expensive of fast food places and all their food is GIANT SIZED" more than I can eat.
They shoukd bring back the Boss Burger from the 90s, I loved thst one, I ate them a lot.
The local joints around me you can get a big burger, a big glass of beer, and a big side of fries for $15, maybe $20 tops. Whoever is buying just the burger for $25 is getting ripped off.
I’m guessing in a big city, like NYC or LA.
I’m in nyc and 25 is not the norm for a regular burger
I’m about an hour out from the nearest city, in a suburban area. I’m closer to the boonies than anything like New York City or Chicago.
“1h from the nearest city”
“suburban area”
What? How? I has questions…
Have you been to large cities? I bet you can drive an hour from actual Chicago and still be in the suburbs of Chicago. For example. And not cross over farm lands either.
Just doing some casual google mapsing.
Chicago to Naperville, Plainfield, and Elgin, are all roughly an hour, and its all pretty much populated area the entire trip on each. Its basically an hour in any direction to reach the edge of the Chicago suburbs.
Its 2 hours north to Milwaukee and if you stayed along the lake route it would probably be populated suburb areas all the way too.
When traffic is bad, you can drive for an hour in LA and still be in the same neighborhood.
European here. That concept is really alien to me: if I drive 1h in some direction (assuming I’m not just stuck in traffic) I’m somewhere else, some other city, region, maybe even a different country.
Maybe the gaps between the towns/cities have closed, and it’s just buildings everywhere now, but they were separate at some point and that still shows in how streets, schools, etc are organized - like smaller hubs that expanded until they fused, but not like some tree where every year there’s more and more rings around the central core…
This is not a critisism on you, or Europe.
But if feels like people not from America, don’t quite get just how much land the US has (and frankly, Canada too). Especially in some things like “why don’t they all go protest their shitty leadership.” Because for some people its a 40 hour drive, or an expensive plane ticket.
Its also why we have no got “high speed rail”. Part of that is, we do have rail, but its still slow, becsuse its a lot of distance. And maintaining a high speed rail that long would be very difficult (I think we should still do it).
I live in a rural area, which is probably more comparable to your experience, it takes aroujd 45 min to an hour to get to one of several small-mid sized cities. But all are within the same state, and all of those are another 60-90 min to the nearest state border at a minimum.
No, I’m pretty sure it’s not the size. If I take my car and drive from Lisbon all the way to Moscow, that’s about the same as going from NYC to LA in terms of distance.
I’ll grant that it might be related to “free land” though, as I think it’s mostly a matter of organization. But first there’s this “single use” zoning mentality in the US, which forces people to travel for everything by design - in Europe ground floors were traditionally businesses, and upper floors housing - mix is the norm, cars didn’t exist back in the day and people still had to get to things. Then there’s the way cities grow - most places in Europe you can’t just build swaths of single-family houses in the periphery of existing cities, either because it’s already reserved land (parks/ecological reserve/farming/other uses) and because the access would be awful (already crowded highways) - so instead usually it’s the existing town centers that already have good mass-transit connections (train, subway, …) that see an increase in density: old single-family houses give way to apartment buildings or mixed use buildings (commerce, offices). So it kinda grows in “nodes”, not as an ever expanding ring of single-family houses.
But this is simply a mater of policy - build a train line that connects a few several small towns in the outskirts, connect that up to some mass transit inside the city proper (subway ideally, if it exists) and boom, the density in those small towns that now have a good connection will skyrocket.
I can drive for 10 hours in one direction and not leave my U.S. state. I’m not even close to the border to another state either.
Honestly it can take an hour just to get out of NYC from Manhattan, hitting the beginning of suburbs. It can then take another 30-60 to get through suburbs, depending on which direction youre headed.
Tbf in Atlanta 1h from the city is IN the city.
I feel like sub-urban has lost meaning.
If closer to the boonies than a city, you’re no longer sub-urban. Though does rural count as country town, or just farm, or both?
Wikipedia defines it as:
an area within a metropolitan area which is predominantly residential and within commuting distance of a large city.
I’d say it’s a very fit definition of where I’m at. Most people commute to the metropolitan areas which are mostly manufacturing, and can reliably commute to the nearest city by car (though it can be an hour drive at some places). It’s mostly residential here, some woodland between communities but sometimes little woodland within them.
I mean commuting could be anything between 5 minutes and 4 hours.
Like walking distance. What does it mean???
Just went to a place tonight where it was $26. $25 burger might not be the current mean, but it’s definitely not eye popping anymore at all.
Exactly… and I’m definitely living in a higher than average cost of living area. What people seem to think is if you can find overpriced food (they don’t seem to particularly care for) then they have an excuse to seem madder about food (they don’t seem to particularly care for) prices.
Honestly I don’t give a fuck if it’s real meat. As a vegan it pisses me off when these motherfuckers try to charge more for not supporting animal abuse.
Why do we charge less to torture animals than to eat plants?!? It makes no sense.
Subsidies :)
well yeah subsidies, partially, but a whole lot of area in the US is good for grazing, but not good enough for grains. so cows are a natural way to use that landscape, otherwise it goes completely unused. that’s also a reason why there exists animal products in the first place.
Economics of scale.
Nope, it’s taxpayer subsidies.
It’s both. Costs decrease with scaled up production, but only if there’s demand for it. Otherwise crops are just wasted.
Plus, it’s not like 100% of crops go to humans in the first place. Harvests get graded, with the first few levels being for human consumption, and the last being for animal or industrial use.
It is much easier to increase output for crops than livestock. The reason meat is so cheap in the US is that the government uses taxes to subsidize it, and producers torture their animals to cut costs.
If you don’t have the market for it, scaling ends up with food waste.
And meat really isn’t cheap, relatively. At least good cuts. You could have a full vegan diet for less than the price of meat (per calorie), even before COVID.
Although, all that’s about to change since 1/3 of the planet’s fertilizer production was wiped out.
Although, all that’s about to change since 1/3 of the planet’s fertilizer production was wiped out.
i wouldn’t worry about that too much. these things sound scary but we’re damn good at industry in basically any country these days, we’ll make new fertilizer somehow.
Burger parts cost ~$2 at the grocery store.
Don’t spend $25 for a burger.
I agree with you on that
eh, i’d say, here in central europe, all the ingredients for a proper meal are to be had for probably 4€ (roughly $5) but still, restaurants add like a 300% markup to that or sth
This. I made us some chopped cheese sandwiches last night that were way cheaper than feeding everyone at a FF restaurant. And it was better tasting.
I read this post after ordering my trusty $9.98 double burger with fries at In-N-Out. I pray for the survival of this franchise.
I mean, they’re well known for being a Christian company. It’s not particularly surprising.
In a perfect world, I’d go to the left-wing-donating equivalent, but until they show up or In-N-Out stops being an otherwise commendable company (charity work for addiction centers and trafficked children, much higher wages than competitors, (mostly) clean and well maintained establishments), they’re on the docket to get my $9.98 when I don’t have the time or energy to make dinner.
Yeah, that’s why I go buy fast food from shake shack
That’s funny you mention them. Before going to In-N-Out the other day I was curious where the nearest Shake Shack was (I travel for work and they’re in a lot of airports but I otherwise haven’t seen many), the closest one was ~25 minutes away vs 8 minutes for In-N-Out. I also don’t really like Shake Shack’s actual food as much, but their shakes are of course phenomenal (if not pricey).
They pray a lot too. Ever see the hidden Bible stuff?
I’m a fairly hostile atheist, but I can respect how they’ve handled this. They wanted to support their position, but didn’t want it to be in everyone’s face, so they did it discreetly, out of respect for their non-religious customers.
That’s the kind of reasonable compromise required of the 1st Amendment, so when I see that, I have to respect it, even if I don’t agree with it. They have their right to their religious beliefs, as I do to reject them. I’m not going skip their excellent and reasonably priced food over a few religious verses.
If they start financially supporting preachers who promote the execution of gays, and convince African countries to make it the law or some other such bullshit, like Chikfila or Hobby Lobby does, then I’ll reassess.
Man, they sure are religious for a food chain named after a sexual act.
If it wasn’t for the price, In-n-Out wouldn’t be worth the hype. But for the price they are peerless, so worth the hype.
I think their consistency has gone down. If you get a top tier In-N-Out burger, where the cheese has just started to melt and the bun was toasted just right, they’re pretty damn good burgers, would still be worth it if it cost an extra $2-3. The mid to low tier In-N-Out burgers are about worth their current price.
i basically stopped going out to eat like a few years ago. i used to go to restaurants basically daily when it was like 6€ for a full, filling lunch. that was the good stuff.
now it’s like 8€ for a tiny sandwich and if you go to a “proper restaurant”, you easily pay 16€ just for the main course, then add drinks, etc. it’s just not worth it.
meanwhile if i eat at home, it’s basically never over 10€/day for all the day’s food. just mix potato salad with tuna and call it dinner, that’s what i do :)
Went out on Saturday for brunch, me and my girl; we got two small sandwiches, some soup, and two drinks.
$52.
Like, I could make so many sandwiches for 50 bucks, lol
We used to grab a sandwich (fancy ones, mind you) and fresh made large smoothy for about 16€ for us 2. This was one of the most expensive places but I absolutely adored the view and it was a healthy treat.
Nowadays you pay €8 for a basic sandwich and if you want something fancy like a smoothie that’ll add another €7 a piece. Those fancy sandwiches we got now go for around €13 a piece.
We don’t go out to eat anymore obviously, groceries have also far surpassed those previous restaurant prices. I now pay more to eat at home compared to what we used to pay at the fanciest place near us.
The $20 burger was once very recently referred to as the $10 burger. Outrageous pricing reguardless
Sometimes I forget people still go out to eat.
My salary minus rent and cost of living leaves me with about 5 eur/hour. Fast food that costs me 2+ hours? No thanks.
Yeah, fast food used to be fast and cheap, now it is neither. No reason to waste money there, so now 98% of my food comes from the grocery store. So. Much. Cheaper.
And yet it’s still weirdly expensive at home. I remember when a pound of ground beef was a couple bucks, tops. Now I’ve seen it as high as $9, albeit the lean kind.
I make vegan burgers for like 6 bucks the price gouging is insane
freezer’s stocked with vegan meats, they’re ironically cheaper now than regular meat (on sale)
Any recipe recommendations? For the life of me can’t find a vegan binder that holds it’s shape two bites in.
try chickpea flour or similar
This what i did
hmm tried flaxseeds?
