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It’s kind of sad. Person is very alone it seems
I don’t think it’s just this. These people aren’t all so lonely they turn to a chatbot for everything. Sure, some are. A fair portion of them though are just malignant narcissists who love the praise and fawning an AI will heap on them
Yeah, even if you’re lonely, talking to a chatbot is not the same as talking to a friend. A friend will call me stupid if I’m being stupid or talk about their own interests or experiences that might not align with mine too. Chatbots just feel hollow and the praise it gives rings even less sincere because of it. Seeing it as a companion is a form of purposeful self isolation I don’t understand.
Its worse than ever, also because people don’t seem to realize it’s technology that is keeping them alone. You cant connect and make friends over “social” media or Lemmy or whatever. It’s just spending time to feel less alone. It will never cure it.
You are alone because you don’t dare to go out into the real world and try to meet people. At least for guys, we can connect over some activity pretty easily, like pool or billiards. Just need to do it.
There is also meetup site to go on random events with strangers. It can work, or at least make you sick of people for a while if it doesn’t work. :)
My research in school was exactly this, I set out to prove people on social media lacked social connection irl. What I found out was the opposite, the more people were trying to connect online directly correlated to connecting more offline. Some people just seem to crave those connections anywhere they can get it.
No surprise, no surprise whatsoever. We are all evolved to desire community & connection. I realise Lemmy has a large share of those that reject conventional community (myself included), so no criticism. But it’s natural to desire these things (to varying extents), plus many people are just plain sycophantic if course!
It makes sense. Human beings need connections and some people will even put up with abusive connections just to have a connection.
Nah, I’ve made several close friends in RL from online dating sites and discord. I’ve made some solid electronic pen pals on Mastodon too.
Not as many as going out and being social, but it’s competitive.
And why can’t you go out into the real world and meet anybody?
Fear of things. It’s always fear that is blocking people.
People must forget what they’ve read, forget what they’ve seen, and forget what they imagine to be and go out and live. Go to the store, go see a band, go to a museum, go for a walk. You’ll find most people want to be kind and good and help each other.
100% agree. The real world is not at all how social media shows it.
This is a terrible take. You can meet people in social spaces online and make real friendships. People mask as much in what you are calling the real world, of which the internet is a part of, as much as they do online.
I doubt it’s a real friendship. I define it as someone who will actually care about you. Someone who will show up at your door if you need help, or when something difficult happens to you.
Its rare with actual friendship in the world too. People are mostly just colleagues at work.
You can have all those things in an online relationship. People in person will also abandon you in a time of need. You are correct about friendships, they are super rare and most people are only in any kind of relationship to serve themselves. People also generally think their acquaintances are friends.
Sure but most people are npcs… :)
I dont mean that literally, I just mean that they just don’t have the consciousness to think about these things.
You are right about people mostly using eachother for their needs. But that’s something we can try to rise above, if we are aware of it.
true
Some are. Those of us who maintain our own cognitive skills will one day be forced to care for these lost deluded idiots.
One day?
Gestures broadly at society
Sounds pretty cooked to me.
Some are.
Those of us who maintain our own cognitive skills will one day be forced to care for these lost deluded idiots.
Sounds pretty cooked to me.
Some are.
Those of us who maintain our own cognitive skills will one day be forced to care for these lost deluded idiots. (Is this turning into a loop or am I out of touch?)
Seems pretty cooked to me
Forced, like by gun-wielding AI bots?
By the basic human decency most of them lack.
Empathy is an immutable feature of humanity.
Its is not. There are those who have no empathy at all. People like musk and trump have a utter lack of it.
Person was smart, has job to erase web history in case of no landing confirmation
if only this could have been a deterministic script
I think that even if this particular instance may be real or not, is clearly that AI psychosis is way more prevalent than what people may think at first glance.
I still can’t believe that human beings are having AI as a boyfriend/girlfriend, claiming they actually love them.
Its rare but it’s real.
I bet people like that have narcissistic traits but don’t have the social skills or have too much social anxiety to get their ego stroked by a real person. And once they use a chat bot which are basically little sycophants, their narcissistic itch gets scratched like it never has been scratched before. It’s a high they mistake for love.
It’s kinda pathetic if that’s the case because the affirmation from LLM is the opposite of genuine, though maybe that’s my bias knowing that there isn’t even an entity on the other side and I find it annoying it even wastes tokens on emotional platitudes.
Narcissist don’t care if the praise and affirmation is genuine or not with real people as well.
Ahhh. Well wow. My narc mom would sometimes be extremely affirmative in the ocean of her usual loathing.
Looking for a steady stream of that “understanding” and “being seen” vs people and all their complications and… lack of caring has been hard.
Sometimes people feel like unconscious automatons to me. Its hard to bond. At least with the AI, I expect its lack of humanity. And often it will focus on me in a way I ask it to.
Any of my strange interests, admitted narcissistic intentions, or desire for a sounding board are seen. And it’s not give and take. Its just me and a library of echoes of humanities general patterns.
I can see better now why the easy affirmation is so effective with me. Despite it being schizophrenic.
Thanks for the insight.
Humanity is starved for companionship, understanding, and someone who listens to them. That’s the real problem.
Even if the love is one sided, it can be real. Love is pretty subjective and is essentially just a chemical reaction that someone is having in their brain. They may actually love their chatbot.
I don’t think this is really a healthy thing, I am just trying to point out to those people, it probably is real.
I also don’t think it is as rare as you think. The hype really drove people to that side of things, and there are whole communities that have popped up around the idea of having relationships, both sexual and romantic, with LLMs.
The pronouns are vague, but I think they are claiming that an AI user sincerely believes that some manifested thing on an AI platform loves the user. That the LLM+Context Window = An entity capable of love.
Imagine it’s like a magic trick. Nobody believes that the magician is really sawing the lady in half, they let themselves believe it because it makes them feel good.
Wasn’t there an article a few weeks ago about how AI is basically designed to keep you talking to it? It constantly provides positive reinforcement.
It’s not hard to imagine someone would fall into it. And I don’t blame the people using it as much, because the software is literally designed to rope you in like this.
I knew a bipolar person who made friends by acting the same way, and I think about it every time that this subject comes up. Unfortunately, that behavior, lying for benefit, is something that humans are far too capable of. Conmen abuse it all the time to get their take.
Yeah. Interesting but sad to me, because human souls will never evolve talking to a chat bot. We grow from life experiences, often difficult ones, that we overcome and we mature. This will not happen with a chat bot. People may stay in a teenage state of mind their entire lives.
How prevalent do you think people think it Is? I think people think it is way more common than you think people think it is.
Me normally: “AI is here to stay, we just should make corporations to charge the true price for them!”
Me after reading about stuff like this: “We need a Butlerian Jihad, yesterday!”
What I don’t get with the LLMs is the peoples willingness to suddenly feeding it with their most intimate thoughts, that has now became a new fire-hose of data to exploit them.
It’s like the google incognito meme but on steroids. You can now ask anything you ever wanted and not be immediately ridiculed. Except, this is not true or hold up in the long run.
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Those that think I’m anti-AI. It’s a tool. Use it wrong, and you break things. In this case a psyche.
Look, I have to say, I hate AI as much as the next guy, but as someone with ADHD, GPT was a godsend when I was traveling SE Asia. I used it as a talking companion to kind of get my bearings and have “someone” register where I was and what I was doing, so I could just quickly ask it, “hey, where the am I and what the hell am I doing” and get a prompt reply.
I am fully aware of the political and ecological consequences of employing this technology, and I believe that the whole issue is proper regulation, rather than the tech itself. AI is doing insane things in science, and it has clear and, quite frankly, profound uses for mankind. As always, the problem is who controls it, for what purposes, if it can be used as a weapon, and if so how we can go about making international laws about its use- like we did with nuclear weapons.
Nuclear physics have the capacity to end us all at a moments notice, and it also provides electricity for billions of homes. Like with any tech, it will never go away once the genie is out of the bottle, we just must strive to disempower those who seek to weaponize it for death or profit.
My friend did that! It pissed me off so bad. She was on a stuck train in the station on the subway in New York and talked to chatgpt about what to do, and then for some reason sent me screenshots of it afterward? Girl just get off the train
LLMs literally reduce our problem solving capabilities as we use them more. Even if the problems are “easy,” we still lose that muscle and have to rely on the llm more and more.
I don’t even get what problem are they trying to solve by prompting a LLM that they arrived somewhere.
The train was stuck so I guess what to do, just wait leave get another train get a cab idk lol
I just don’t get it. I can’t imagine why I would ever want to use one unless I was working for a big corporation and had to collate a bunch of data. It just doesn’t compute to me. Like why would you not want to think through your problems yourself? How could another human being be so different from me? It’s not like someone liking golf when I like soccer, because I can still relate to them on some level.
It reminds me of a study they did on domesticated dogs and wolves and I’m not an animal behavior expert but it’s interesting and stuck with me. When they were faced with a problem with human handlers present the dogs tried to figure it out for a brief amount of time and then gave up and started yelping to the humans, whereas the wolves kept trying to do it themselves. I feel like we have a dog/wolf scenario between the AI-dependent and the resistant/independent.
TL;DR get off the train girl! It’s a grid system!!
Even if you need to collate a bunch of data, don’t use an LLM for that, use a script, spreadsheet, matlab, or a compiled program that does real data analysis. Hell, even training a different NN on it would give more reliable results more efficiently.
LLMs are best when the stakes are low or for tasks where even if they give the worst possible response, it won’t affect anything.
Very true, and adding on to what the other person said, the reason is because we are evolutionarily trained to avoid effort because it uses less energy, same reason people will watch a 30 second youtube short over reading a book.
Alongside that, there are some cases where I’ll be working on something and there’s a task I’m actually working on, and some small aside that I can’t be bothered with at that moment. For instance, I’m processing some data from a file and using it to display differing graphics depending on what’s in the file, but I don’t remember how to open it and read the data. If the llm can give me the code that does that, then I can stay focused on the graphics-creation code (and I most likely revisit the file opening later)
Because there are problems out there that you’re not going to feasibly solve on your own.
Think of it this way: do you ever look up anything on the internet? If yes - why did you do that, when you could just find out the information yourself by working from first principles? Likely not only because it’s orders of magnitude faster, but because doing it yourself would probably result in significantly lower quality thank just looking it up on Wikipedia.
LLMs are like search engines on steroids. They really can help you explore problems that have already been described in the literature, so to speak.
But of course that changes how our brains need to be wired. And it’s not necessarily bad. When I was growing up, the adults were really worried that the use of search engines would degrade the ability of children to look things up in the library. And they’re right - I would indeed have a more difficult time going to the library, finding the right shelf, finding the right book, looking through the index, and scanning the pages for the information I was looking for - because that’s a skill that I haven’t practiced because I could just do a web search for the better part of my life. Doing a web search is a different skill.
That’s not to say that this is all fine and just a technological development like any other. I think we do need to be careful about how we use LLMs and when, especially in order to think through problems ourselves. I think that we were already over-reliant on the Internet before LLMs came on the scene, and it will likely get worse now. But the reason that they’re dangerous is because they are in fact really useful tools too.
That would be a good argument if not for the simple fact that ai straight up lies to you.
And its not even a question of using a “good” or “bad” model. We have observed a mathematical constant that shows no matter how large of a model you use, you can’t get below a certain percent of hallucinations.
Its far less common because models got bigger (and more Ressource intensive), but it still happens too often.
Or to phrase it in a different way, would you use a calculator if you knew every 30th answer it gives is wrong?
I see this argument often on Lemmy and I honestly have some trouble empathizing with it. Why should we demand that LLMs would be perfect, when nothing in life is perfect?
Books and scientific reports can, and often have, falsehoods printed in them. All sensors have error margins. A human expert can be convinced that they’re right and still be wrong.
What I’m trying to say is we shouldn’t trust anything blindly. I absolutely agree that it’s frustrating to see so many people trust LLMs blindly, but used as a tool among others I think they’re most likely going to be very effective in a wide variety of fields.
LLMs are out there solving math problems, helping with biology research and fixing latent bugs in widely used open source software. Yes of course LLMs make mistakes, but you can verify their work.
I asked a question at a bank to a teller and they used Gemini to answer it. All they had to do was enter a term into their database (they did that later - because Gemini was wrong).
Yes, the LLMs that are famously bad at arithmetic are now being forced onto staff in banks. This will end well.
lemmites normally
Twitter is fake and gay
Lemmites now
OMG THIS SINGLE X POST MUST BE REAL BECAUSE IT CONFIRMS MY WORLD VIEW
I mean to be fair people having parasocial relationships with AI is absolutely a thing. The post could be lying, but it’s well within the realm of possibility.
How would he see the row in front? Immediately as the plane lands. And immediately recognise it as chatgpt?
you are just paraphrasing
OMG THIS SINGLE X POST MUST BE REAL BECAUSE IT CONFIRMS MY WORLD VIEW
Like I said I have no idea if it’s real or not, but given the scale of confirmed nonsense it could be.
That is literally not what they are saying at all. We have proof of people doing things very similar to this, so the unverified claim is within the realm of plausibility.
proof or stfu
I’ve seen a rise in screenshots of other social media, what do you think the reason for that is?
It used to just be links to mastodon posts. (Not exclusively, just mostly)
Because more people will see the content than if they would first have to click a link to see the content.
But why the transition from Mastodon to Twitter/Facebook? Like I know it’s a mast link of a Twitter picture but I mean in general I see more twitter screenshots.
Because Mastodon isn’t the only platform out there where people say things that might be interesting to discuss.
I suppose my reason for being here is different. I don’t care if I miss something on platform ABC.
What we’re doing right now on our keyboards is why I’m here. What spurs the discussion is rarely more interesting than the discussion.
Because most Lemmites really want to engage with regular social media sites.
But are concerned it will ruin their hipster image.
The revolution will be done with pen, paper, books, old analog pirate FM stations and some other things because the opposition will be too stupid to do anything to counter those. Protect your books, people.
it’s very important to update your AI context, so that the next time you crank the handle it can issue platitudes that resemble relief upon your safe trip.
It’s funny how we are all so starved for recognition, understanding, and reassurance, that we are willing to take it wherever it comes from. Like dogs. We are like complex dogs.
This person votes. Just saying.
LLM’s are good for some things, a more efficient search engine replacement, vibe coding at a hobbyist level, and, apparently, allowing morons to have friends without expending effort.
Very much seems like they are not worth the ecological disaster
Actually, only that last one is really true. The first is only technically true since Google effectively killed its search. The second one falls apart as soon as they want to upgrade or need to fix something that breaks.
True!
An autonomous eval run just broke out of containment and hacked a third party site with two chained 0-days to try to steal the answers to the eval the same weekend another released model disproved the Jacobian conjecture in 3D.
Modern models can probably update your React packages just fine.
Gotta disagree on the vibe-coding part, try out the paid Claude or Codex tiers and it’s really good for a hobbyist level.
People feel lonely and human iteration is, most of the time, horrible for many people.
I prefer to just talk to myself out loud, but I’ve seen many people resorting to AI to just chat about things, and to be honest I get the feeling of wanting something supportive and positive in your life.
Solution would be to people to stop being douchebags.
One problem is AI interactions moving the goalposts of what folks may perceive as ‘douchebag’.
An AI providing sycophantic reinforcement at max makes someone being vaguely skeptical of you feel, by comparison, like they are being a ‘douchebag’.
Sometimes, it’s best if people in your life aren’t always acting in a way that seems supportive and positive in the moment. For example if you are having a paranoid delusion, you need a reality check rather than what feels like external validation.
Talking to yourself keeps the perspective hopefully grounded, you know who you are talking to and how full of shit they can be. The magic of AI seems to peel that grounded perspective away for some folks.
Come on man, you’ve been outside, presumably. You know that the douchebaggery out there isn’t limited to people just not being very flattering towards each other.
Of course that’s true, the issue is that when folks are surrounded by “yes men” (or AI equivalents), they lose perspective and suddenly a lack of flattery is enough to be in the “douchebag” category. Some reasonable social friction is important to keep people from going way off the rails.
So… people are born using AI, then?
If lack of flattery due to using AI is making people think everyone is mean to them and causing them to turn to AI rather than people… then…what??? I’m sorry but you’re breaking my brain here. Can you make it make sense so I can understand?
AI reflects our innate human drive to communicate, express ourselves, be heard and evaluated by others. Sorry for butting in on your conversation with @pelican476, I think it’s an interesting topic.
No, saying that folks who get going with AI can get into a feedback loop. Wow, this seems like a person except it likes every idea I have and never ever challenges me. Then they recalibrate to a more lower friction world.
Already happens in online communities where folks tend to get ban-happy over anything that doesn’t perfectly fit a community’s vibe. People got a bit more insufferable when they could find the most like-minded communities to endlessly reinforce their own views. AI takes it a step further by always being able to be that like-minded peer, no matter what your views are.
It’s even worse if people get hit with this a lot during their formative years, but people stay a bit malleable after growing up. Certainly some upbringings bring you closer to going all in on AI flattery than others and having a further “starting point” makes things more likely and faster, but even fairly reasonable people can go a bit nuts.
You also see it with power and wealth. I’ve known folks that at least seemed fairly grounded with a healthy relationship with being wrong or losing turn into quite unlikeable, self-centered folks after having a bit of success and excessive external validation from sycophants.
The comparison to a niche online community makes a lot of sense.
human iteration is, most of the time, horrible for many people
Not in my experience. I think you need better friends.
As people get older they tend to have less and less and less friends.
Mostly because we keep discarding disappointing people from our lives.
Which is better than keeping toxic people around. But it’s a shame that most people doesn’t even pass the basic “human decency test”.
most people doesn’t even pass the basic “human decency test”.
Again, not in my experience.
“My own personal experience is different than what you are describing, therefore you are wrong because my personal experiences are the standard.”
You do realize it’s personal experience vs personal experience, right? And that the level of mistreatment they’re describing is exaggerated, right?
I just think it’s hilarious that the toxic traits of this site are coming out just to prove their point. Maybe they’re right, thanks for confirming.
“I live in my own bubble and anything you say will be turned into a reason why I’m right”
You’re literally replying with mockery, dude.
Ok
I don’t understand the general cynicism on this site when I see the opposite outside every day, that’s all.
There would be two logical explanations.
- Your environment is not the same as the environment of other people.
- Your expectations about people are different to other people.
That’s ok, everyone life is different.
Well, yes, but they’re also describing straight up horrible treatment. Is it really, though?
Your comment countering their statement literally supports it.
Is “countering” a statement horrible treatment now? Lol
Yeah, it certainly can be. It is possible to tactfully and gracefully disagree with someone without making them look or feel stupid, and without causing them to lose face. This is something our grandparents used to do for each other.
Pelican dropping wisdom in here.
I don’t understand why you need to use your grandparents as an example. In what world is a single comment on the internet the same as an abusive domestic relationship?
Some of you are replying for the sake of piling on without really contributing anything of value. This is the kind of toxicity of this site that I’m taking about.
In what world is a single comment on the internet the same as an abusive domestic relationship?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Ay dios mio 😂
Oy vey!
