Feeling bad about a policy is a necessary but not sufficient condition to stopping it, in the same way having a high school education is a necessary but not sufficient condition to being a CEO. And this isn’t even getting into how Americans seem to always defend/outright support new imperialism. For example 74% of Americans supported Biden’s Houthi airstrikes.

your point seems moot

My point (edit: forgot to complete this sentence) is that Russians aren’t meaningfully worse than Americans, not that they’re necessarily better.

It’s likely Russians wouldn’t support the war as much as they are now if they had access to the kind of information Americans do, but either way that’s not the point. Do you think Ukrainians would be better off if Russians felt bad about the war but not enough to actually do anything about it?

In 2003 an entire nato coalition thought the Iraq war was justified with only a few holdouts

Then the entire NATO coalition needs to die in a ditch with only a few holdouts. Why do you think I care?

12 years after the Iraq war began, or 4 after it ended, a majority of Americans believe it was a mistake

Then I’d like to see this belief translate to, you know, less imperialism, because something tells me the hundreds of thousands killed and millions displaced in Iraq are scarcely comforted by the fact that Americans in 2026 are kinda sad about it. Call me when y’all actually do something about your imperialism, until then you have no basis at all to claim moral superiority over Russians.

Yes, and? Doesn’t make it wrong.

This assumes that the only evil imperialists are MAGA, which is straight up false. In 2003 ~80% of Americans believed the Iraq war to be justified, so potato fucking potato. Hell, the American potato is worse considering Americans actually have freedom of speech.

If I had a nickel for each peninsula that’s shaped like a boot I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

Subtility: 0.

TIL that salt taxes were still a thing in the 20th century.

I mean, it’s true. Billionaires are basically unemployed, yet when is the last time you saw a billionaire getting unemployment benefits? Justice for billionaires!

Uh… you think 66% of India’s population is going to pack up and move to the US? Do you seriously believe what you’re saying?

This “overcorrection” was the case for the vast majority of human history. It only stopped being the case due to racism and nationalism. I’m not sure what you think you’re appealing to here but this is just not reflected in reality.

Random thing but thanks for writing all this. The other person is probably beyond saving, but the history trivia is nice.

I completely agree with you, but the 3/5 compromise is a completely different thing. It was about states getting electoral college votes, not black people getting rights.

The EU is notorious for its brutal and heavy-handed immigration enforcement. This is one rare case where the answer is in the past; America didn’t even have laws restricting immigration for about a hundred years.

sprang up out of necessity.

You mean out of racism?

First, aside from literal war-torn countries there’s nowhere where being homeless is a “huge upgrade” (or even a small upgrade) over not being homeless. That’s just not how that fucking works. Second, in the past (and present) poor Chinese people did in fact enter the US in large numbers looking for opportunity, and what you’re implying didn’t happen in the slightest. I’m not sure where you got this idea from, but this is completely unrealistic fearmongering.

As long as you realize that radical action means changing the top brass among the democrats.

Nope, it means creating parallel workers’ organizations that don’t rely on bourgeois political systems. Expecting lasting change from bourgeois politics is a fool’s errand no matter who is in charge.

That’s only tangentially related to what I was saying, but for people living outside the imperial core, yes. MAGA is the biggest existential threat to the US in more a century and I’m not exactly going to cry about it. I’m not happy that it had to come to this, but y’all (assuming you’re American) have nobody to blame but yourselves. Death to America.

I see where you’re coming from, but “let things fall fast” is playing right into the hands of capital. Times of crisis aren’t storms to be waiting out; they’re opportunities for radical organization and action.

They can protest(more freely) to demand change.

Yes, like those Palestine protests in 2024 that were so gladly welcomed by the liberal establishment. Those protesters were absolutely not decried as useful idiots, Russian trolls or both. Stop kidding yourself. Regarding imperialism specifically like 80% (random guess) of the US gargles fucking MIC balls when it’s democrats at the helm.