It’s amazing how these people can essentially burn billions, trillions combined, even, of dollars on very avoidable mistakes and it’s a “whoopsie” but you ask for a fraction of it to go to the citizens and it’s “a waste of money” or “might not work despite all the evidence from elsewhere”.
And then also the execs get a few million dollars a year in bonuses and such because they’re “so smart and important.”
Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.
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Let’s be clear. The blame shouldn’t be on AI but on the fuckwads that made the decision to replace humans.
No it should also be on the AI. Its a useless fucking sloptool and those that use it should be ridiculed as well.
Yes, true. But, that is not the root cause of the issue we are discussing.
What’s the point of this distinction? AI gave them the excuse.
That’s like blaming a gun for murder.
“AI” is simply a tool that can be utilized for good, or foolishly applied to situations where it doesn’t make sense… by a human. It doesn’t make the choice itself.
That’s like blaming a gun for murder.
And yet, without guns there would be an order of magnitude less murders. This is literally the same argument the people who make billions manufacturing and selling guns use constantly to try to stop gun control laws that are proposed in order to stop people from killing other people with guns.
The argument that AI is simply a tool is a valid one but it’s ill applied here. If AI wasn’t here and hadn’t been so stupidly hyped by the people trying like hell to make billion$ from it, the situation Ford and their engineers ended up in wouldn’t have happened. The people who made the decision to fire people in favor of AI carry blame but so do the people who hyped up AI as a really good replacement for human workers.
Truthfully I hope the people Ford hired back squeeze every dime they can out of them and are able to find jobs at places that appreciate them and their talents better. Fuck Ford and Fuck AI.
Nuclear bombs are also “just a tool” but this is a meaningless point to make. Technology enabling something to happen means it should be included in the discussion without someone going “it’s just an innocent inanimate object 🥺” as if that changes the discussion at all. Seems like a weak defense of a shitty technology used to do shitty things.
When a car company has this many recalls, it should be enough to automatically ban all of their unsold vehicles from the streets. Until they pass several inspections and audits.
Who knows how many people died or were irreversibly injured due to at least 11 million faulty cars. That number is still probably on the low end.
All this policy would do is encourage manufacturers to bury defects so that they don’t have any recalls.
What do you think they do now?
Volkswagen anyone?
They will fire these people again the minute they get AI working the way they want it. They better be getting extra compensation for returning.
buying time so they can force the “returned employees” to train south america,eastern european and some indian tech engineers and then fire the american ones.
Someone got a huge bonus for firing all those engineers.
Hell yeah, they did something similar at Kohl’s. Some dip shit executive who doesn’t understand how life works because he’s neppo baby had a suggestion to save the company MILLIONS.
Fire all the loss prevention people and that will pay for the theft currently happening. Dip shit didn’t realize they were actually doing something, and theft went up 5x in under 6 months once people figured out they could walk in, grab a duffle bag, fill it with Nike/UA/whatever and just walk out. They’re not allowed to even call the cops.
Bro got a 2 million dollar bonus, and now they can’t hire LP back because they obviously moved on.
They should try the same thing with the police. Since crimes happen anyway what’s the point in paying for them?
Although if you’re firing US police the crime rate may actually go down.
our bougie version of trader joes is doing this right now. shoplifters security, cant even be followed by hired security anymore, the homeless usually heroin and meth addicts just come in snatch stuff like no tomorrow. at this point there isnt a reason to have the security anymore. now you cant snatch the item back, talk to them in a “aggressive way” or pretend like you are blocking them.
the city kept clearing the “homeless/drug addict” areas, and they have swarmed the area since.
rehire to train the AI, then LAY THEM off again and hire cheaper outsourced tech engineers down the line.
The problem is, “training” the AI is also largely a myth. A bunch of idiots in charge unironically think that if you force all your workers to use llms, llm will magically get better. Like, seriously, they believe that.
They seem to somehow have convinced themselves that these “brains” will just continue to learn and evolve with changes in process, technology, and so on. The AI psychosis that ends with all things being “Ah, finally I will be rich without pesky humans and bills”.
You wouldn’t vibe code a car…
Surely this time companies will learn from this, right?
…Right?
I recently attended a presentation by NVIDIA at my company, where a summary slide had statements so outlandish, that I had to look around in disbelief. The statements had a trailing asterisk, but no actual clarifying text. I joked that it was for “NVIDIA is not responsible for any business decisions made based on these purely fictive statements” with a font size of 1 slightly different color than the background.
“Yeah I’m really into cars”
drives a Mustang
lmao, sure thing, buckaroo
I’m very much not into cars, so what’s wrong with a mustang?
Also not really into cars, but I think it has to do with the fact that people who know nothing about cars think it’s one of the best cars ever or something (mostly due to marketing aimed at machismo and shit). But if you start learning about cars there’s probably much better, more enjoyable rides out there, probably for much cheaper (since they’re not purely about marketing and image).
Please take all of this with a heaping pinch of salt and anyone who knows better is more than welcome to correct me or add to what I said if I missed the mark completely.
More or less yeah. They are big impractical cars that kind of look like they are for the real world because they have storage space, seats in the back and stuff like that, but really they are for driving around and showing off how big and important you are.
Like something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini but worse because at least they look like sports cars designed for racing.
I certainly wouldn’t want somebody who drove a car like that designing a car for doing the school run. Completely different priorities.
I am also not into cars and this just became my personal favorite example of how well marketing works. I had basically thought they were some of the best.
I have friends who are very into cars. I’ve not absorbed as much information by osmosis as I could have, but I’ve absorbed some. Either way, I know the Mustang isn’t nearly as special as many American tough guys think.
Edit: The other person who replied to my comment made me think of another point. The Mustang is trying to be a super-special-manly-car while giving you an everyday car with all the seats and storage and stuff of everyday cars. Problem is, if I had to guess, it probably ends up sucking at both and just making people who know better realise you’re a dumbass.
Your common GT, nothing much. The V8 Coyote is a decent engine, but… we’re comparing it against the LS if we’re talking direct competion with Chevy, and in that regard, LS with me every time all day every day. The market is huge for parts and swaps.
For i-4 and v6 drivers, they couldn’t care less about Ford, Chevy or Dodge, all-muscle vehicles that are too heavy to justify small engines and will spin out on a turn a WRX, BMW or, hell, a Civic Si would treat like a 35mph stroll at 75mph with hardly any difficulty.
…and you might want to read up on the reliability of Ford’s Ecoboost engines, or the lack therof.
guy in the back: “What about Chrysler?”
The Charger’s platform is solid and Mopar is a big brand for Dodge with lots of aftermarket. The 300 and the Challenger are decent cars by proxy, but they’d lose to… most. Too fat.
That one person at Ford going I told you so must feel so vindicated
Except that was the first person they laid off.
I still think it was a big mistake to bail out the auto makers. Now all cars are just giant phones with some how even worse privacy laws. “Saftey” tech just keeps getting forcefully regulated into them, making them more expensive and making shittier drivers who can’t even look in their blind spots anymore because those stupid blind spot detectors. We are pretty much at the point where we have Vin lock parts and can’t replace a windshield motor without paying 1.8k to bring it back to the manufacturer, and thats BEFORE the labor from their licensed tech who is the only person who can touch the god damn thing I own and I will be paying off for 48 months at 450 dollars a month.
Oh but don’t worry I think its ford themselves that have a patent for self driving cars to be able to repo themselves. So the the poor dealership that fucked me over won’t lose any money when I can no longer afford payment on some of the shittiest trucks they’ve made.
Don’t get a car or truck past 2013. Honestly peak cars IMO all existed around 90s-2006. Some good hits in the 80’s too but you’re prob not going to daily something that old. You all are going to want to learn how to work on your own car. If you don’t have the tools and a shop it sucks a bit more and is sketchy sometimes, try to make a car friend or have people to ping off of. You can rent a lot of the tools too but I would insist on buying if its not like 300 bucks all at once. You want a good air compressor, a 12v battery charger/tester, a standard craftsman set, some ramp blocks/jacks, and the basic hand tools and you can do most things just fine.
So much of learning how to fix a car is kind of just having to fix it. I’ve only had 4 cars ive had to fix and daily drive sense ive started trying. And I came from practically no knowledge. YouTube surprisingly has had every single fix I needed for my exact model, and I would just google my problems and end up on forums from literally 2008 with the exact same problem and it was ususally solved. Most of the time its just replacing sensors, replacing gaskets, changing fluids or cat converter. Sometimes it doesnt fix it, so you just replace the next suspected thing.
I’m ready to sell my air compressor. 30 gal but not a ton of cfm. 18v hits plenty hard on my impact and tire inflator for the actual air need.
My little 12v impact will take the nuts of the lugs of my Subaru, but I need the 18 for the f350.
You aren’t even going to keep it for blowing out crumbs in your keyboard? I got one of those tornado air whip guns and I bust that thing out everytime I need to work on the car just because I like to play with it. I’ll bust out all the floor mats and blast the with air to avoid doing any real work.
Also I don’t like using tire inflators, you get a cheap 12v one and you burn out the motor trying to inflate all 4 tires at once. Its good to keep in the car for an emergency but it can’t be good for some of the smaller portable ones.
Its just so nice to have compressed air even if you don’t plan on using air impact tools. And just having the compressor opens you up to a whole new world of tools not even car related. Sand blasting, spray painting, roofing, framing. Mine also doesnt have enough cfm to do air wrenches but I still love the thing.
I have an inflator for my chosen 18v battery system and have used it probably 100+ times. Going strong. If I was going to do any of the other things, a small pancake compressor would be fine and take up a lot less garage space.
I’d be pretty funny if they sued whoever sold them the a.i. for false advertising.
Ironic the first successful car company from the early 1900s has come to this.
Uuuhmm akshually, in real capitalism we don’t need any regulations, because if the company releases a very faulty product, no one will buy it, so the company will collapse.
So, uhh, the solution is - we need more capitalism ☝️🤓
