Moreover (aside: it wasn’t an officially accredited university until the 20th century, but it was a teaching institution ~200 years after its founding), the story itself is doubted by historians.
If the wojak is supposed to be someone pointing out Islam’s consistent, extreme, and baked-in* misogyny regarding women’s education, “well one time 1100 years ago a woman disputably founded a mosque that became an intellectual center 200 years later” isn’t a rebuttal.
Edit: See below re: “baked-in”, as the misogyny isn’t baked directly into education. Thanks to NoneOfUrBusiness for calling me on that.
Islam’s consistent, extreme, and baked-in misogyny regarding women’s education
That literally doesn’t exist. There’s plenty of legitimate criticism of Islam in that regard, but what little it says about women’s education is supportive. Automatically tying Muslims’ (very real to be clear) misogyny to Islam is fallacious logic; people can follow a conservative religion and be conservative in ways that have nothing to do with that religion (or actively contradict it).
I’ve retracted “baked-in” regarding specifically education, having read more about the history, and I appreciate your comment calling me out. However, it’s clear that the current status of women’s education in the Muslim world is a direct result of Islam’s baked-in complementarian misogyny.
Genuine question: What is the current status of women’s education in the Muslim world? Do you have some kind of statistic you’re going off here? The only thing that comes to mind is Afghanistan and everyone thinks those guys are nuts.
My understanding is that it’s improving but that girls still face serious, disproportionate hurdles. When I remarked about the current poor state, one of the sources I’d read was this conference last year by the Muslim World League (largely funded by Saudi Arabia but understood to be a voice of moderation) who insisted that it’s still a major problem worldwide legally and culturally.
Yeah it’s definitely a problem in absolute terms, but what I was getting at is whether it’s comparatively a problem; otherwise we can’t pin the cause down on a certain factor. It could instead be an issue of development. It’s not the exact same thing, but plenty of Muslim countries have low literacy gender gaps, and predictably this is more present in wealthier countries rather than more secular countries. In general it’s better to look for structural explanations to these things rather than blaming culture or religion.
Moreover (aside: it wasn’t an officially accredited university until the 20th century, but it was a teaching institution ~200 years after its founding), the story itself is doubted by historians.
If the wojak is supposed to be someone pointing out Islam’s consistent, extreme, and baked-in* misogyny regarding women’s education, “well one time 1100 years ago a woman disputably founded a mosque that became an intellectual center 200 years later” isn’t a rebuttal.
Edit: See below re: “baked-in”, as the misogyny isn’t baked directly into education. Thanks to NoneOfUrBusiness for calling me on that.
That literally doesn’t exist. There’s plenty of legitimate criticism of Islam in that regard, but what little it says about women’s education is supportive. Automatically tying Muslims’ (very real to be clear) misogyny to Islam is fallacious logic; people can follow a conservative religion and be conservative in ways that have nothing to do with that religion (or actively contradict it).
I’ve retracted “baked-in” regarding specifically education, having read more about the history, and I appreciate your comment calling me out. However, it’s clear that the current status of women’s education in the Muslim world is a direct result of Islam’s baked-in complementarian misogyny.
Genuine question: What is the current status of women’s education in the Muslim world? Do you have some kind of statistic you’re going off here? The only thing that comes to mind is Afghanistan and everyone thinks those guys are nuts.
My understanding is that it’s improving but that girls still face serious, disproportionate hurdles. When I remarked about the current poor state, one of the sources I’d read was this conference last year by the Muslim World League (largely funded by Saudi Arabia but understood to be a voice of moderation) who insisted that it’s still a major problem worldwide legally and culturally.
Yeah it’s definitely a problem in absolute terms, but what I was getting at is whether it’s comparatively a problem; otherwise we can’t pin the cause down on a certain factor. It could instead be an issue of development. It’s not the exact same thing, but plenty of Muslim countries have low literacy gender gaps, and predictably this is more present in wealthier countries rather than more secular countries. In general it’s better to look for structural explanations to these things rather than blaming culture or religion.
I mean, I thought the wojack was supposed to represent modern conservative muslim men. But still, not a great argument either way.