Get the fuck out of here with your fascist apologia bullshit. “BuT vOtInG dOeSn’T wOrK” in a thread literally about voting working. What the fuck do you expect to accomplish with that pathetic, defeatist loser attitude? “Oohh waaah voting doesn’t help so I’ll just sit here and do nothing but discourage everyone else around me to not vote either and then complain more when things get worse and worse”
Wallow in your misery by yourself instead of trying to drag an entire country into your whiny bitchbaby bullshit too
Lol, keep doing the thing that hasn’t worked for 50 years, I’m sure it’ll start working any day now!
The only thing voting for Neoliberal ghouls accomplishes is making it easier for Fascists to win the next election. Liberalism and Fascism are two sides of the same coin, that’s why Liberals always happily compromise with fascists but will never compromise with socialists.
Lol, stay mad tho. That rage will be very useful to you once you finally realize for yourself that the people with all the wealth and power will never allow you to vote it away.
Also the fake leftists who, by a complete coincidence (/s), do their best to have exactly the effect Darling Donnie trump wants them to have on anyone left of Newt Gingritch.
Great point. I too am utterly incapable of thinking beyond the current election cycle, unless it’s to cling even harder to the pie-in-the-sky horseshit patties the Democratic Party is claiming are hamburgers.
Man, you’re such a good little propaganda spreader, intentionally misrepresenting other arguements, pretending you have ‘political experience’ and drawing massive conclusions about others based on nothing and encouraging everyone to stop voting, because that’ll surely get things to change this time! Who’s your handler? I wanna give them props for digging you out of the dirt and giving you a ‘job’
Vote or don’t. But don’t kid yourself it changes anything but aesthetics, and don’t disappear back to the brunch spot when your preferred Neoliberal ghouls win an election.
I live in Seattle. Let me know next time you’re in town and we can meet up for a coffee.
If you think Biden vs Trump changed anything but the number of mean tweets deemed newsworthy, then you’re the one brainrotted by billionaire owned media. Remember those kids in cages from the first Trump administration? (Actually from the Obama Administration, but let’s not challenge your memory too hard) At what point in Biden’s Presidency were those cages empty of children?
Then get your ass out of your La-Z-Boy, throw on your slippers and go vote for actual progressive candidates instead of complaining how unfair the world is like your opinion matters more than a dog’s wet fart. You sit there and act like you’re such an enlightened genius because you realize both sides are bad, so instead of doing something to change either of the sides, you sit around and encourage everyone else to sit around and just bitch about it. Unless you’re doing literally anything to try and change literally anything, you can shove this pro-fascist garbage up your own ass and stop trying to convince other people that doing nothing is the right choice. Fucking loser attitude
I spent a decade working my ass off for progressive candidates. Which means I know how the party actually works and how it prevents anyone who isn’t a Third Way Foundation certified Neoliberal ghoul from ever getting to touch any real power.
You should do the same. You’ll learn the same lesson and you’ll become another bitter middle aged communist arguing online with children who think their 10th grade civics class understands of politics qualifies them to tell you anything at all.
For someone who claims to have 10 years of political experience, you sure seem to be pretty ignorant of the point of voting or how it works. As someone with actual experience, I can confidently say you’re an idiot making shit up to try to interfere with elections
What’s your actual experience? You clearly don’t understand how the power structures in the Democratic Party work, your “actual experience” is what, phone banking and maybe door knocking?
If you actually know anything about it, then refute my central point: the Democratic Party as an institution exists to protect Wall St, and while Progressives are welcome aboard as long as they keep the left flank reliably voting “Blue No Matter Who”, they will never be allowed to have any real power inside the party or any real influence on policy. Explain how I’m wrong if you actually know anything at all about who controls what in the Democratic Party.
What ten year period did you spend working on campaigns for Democratic candidates? What other bona fides do you have to talk about party politics and the organization of the Democratic Party as a whole with any authority?
Seems to me like you’re the one highlighting your ignorance by dismissing someone with a lot more relevant experience in the subject at hand with nothing but a “nuh-uh!!”.
And that means that like I’ve been saying all along, you and everyone else happily accepting narratives from billionaire owned media are the actual reason we’re here.
You’re such a monumental moron it’s impressive. I’ve never said I supported billionaires or Liberals, but that’s all you can assume. Either your brain has become mush or you’re Israeli or Russian, but either way it’s an embarassment to argue with you any further
I do live in the US. And the only thing that was different under them was that it was closer in time to the time when the USSR existed and capital had to compromise with labor to keep labor from revolting. The further we get, the more compromised are rolled back (by both parties, regardless of who’s nominally in power), the worse it seems, but that’s just linear time, not Dem administrations being better.
You know where things were absolutely not any better under Obama, Biden, or Clinton? Anywhere outside the Imperial Core. I promise the people of Libya are not thanking Obama and Hillary for bringing open air slave markets to Tripoli, the people of Gaza aren’t thanking Biden for turbocharging their genocide, fucking nobody with a brain thinks Clinton did anything good for anyone but his Wall St donors. To say
I can promise you it was much different under Obama, Biden and Clinton.
Is to say that you don’t see people outside the US and Western Europe as fully human.
Lol, we’re simply making observations. But that’s a cute deflection.
You could try going back to what I originally wrote and responding to its actual substance instead of dismissing any criticism you don’t have a talking point to counter as bots and evil foreigners, but I doubt you will.
If voting didn’t matter. They wouldn’t dump so much effort and money into it. All of it. The media machine, the trolls online, the ads, all of it.
It clearly fucking matters.
Jesus, you’re so close and yet so far away.
Voting matters and they invest all that energy in it precisely because the biannual pageantry keeps you from revolting. Because you’re foolish enough to believe that the people doing all that to keep you voting instead of fighting back will someday lose an election that lets you strip their wealth and power away. It’s the promise of an eternal reward in heaven for medieval serfs dressed up in modern clothes.
Here, let’s let a sci-fi comedy write explain it, fiction is like political theory for Liberals, right?
“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see…”
“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”
“No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?”
Are you doing anything about it? How do you actually see it happening? Real questions.
And yeah, I mean, it’s a shitty vote, but it’s harmless to go and just do it. It CAN be worse if you don’t. Fuck, even my compatriots vote while being under dictatorship.
Provided your definition of “works” is to preserve an untenable status quo against the people who want to make it worse, then sure.
For those of us looking for actual improvement, voting hasn’t “worked” in over 50 years.
Get the fuck out of here with your fascist apologia bullshit. “BuT vOtInG dOeSn’T wOrK” in a thread literally about voting working. What the fuck do you expect to accomplish with that pathetic, defeatist loser attitude? “Oohh waaah voting doesn’t help so I’ll just sit here and do nothing but discourage everyone else around me to not vote either and then complain more when things get worse and worse”
Wallow in your misery by yourself instead of trying to drag an entire country into your whiny bitchbaby bullshit too
Lol, keep doing the thing that hasn’t worked for 50 years, I’m sure it’ll start working any day now!
The only thing voting for Neoliberal ghouls accomplishes is making it easier for Fascists to win the next election. Liberalism and Fascism are two sides of the same coin, that’s why Liberals always happily compromise with fascists but will never compromise with socialists.
Lol, stay mad tho. That rage will be very useful to you once you finally realize for yourself that the people with all the wealth and power will never allow you to vote it away.
Typical ml user
Typical. world user.
See how silly that sounds?
The commie is on the commie instance, more on this developing story as it unfolds…
Also the fake leftists who, by a complete coincidence (/s), do their best to have exactly the effect Darling Donnie trump wants them to have on anyone left of Newt Gingritch.
Keep sucking off Wall Street, ShitLib. It’s only made life worse for the last fifty years, but surely that’ll turn around any day now…
And letting the Republicans win again will really show the dirty dems and everything will get so much better! Not.
Great point. I too am utterly incapable of thinking beyond the current election cycle, unless it’s to cling even harder to the pie-in-the-sky horseshit patties the Democratic Party is claiming are hamburgers.
Sorry, that’s not commie points you’re regurgitating. Just idiot points.
“Anyone opposed to continuing to do the thing that’s been making things worse for forty years is an idiot” and other very serious Liberal thoughts.
Man, you’re such a good little propaganda spreader, intentionally misrepresenting other arguements, pretending you have ‘political experience’ and drawing massive conclusions about others based on nothing and encouraging everyone to stop voting, because that’ll surely get things to change this time! Who’s your handler? I wanna give them props for digging you out of the dirt and giving you a ‘job’
“Anyone who disagrees with my billionaire funded narratives is either a dirty foreigner or a subhuman robot”
-A scratched Liberal’s guide to cryptofascist politics.
Step 1: don’t vote
Step 2: ???
Step 3: ???
Step 4: ??? (But please don’t vote! 🥺)
Vote or don’t. But don’t kid yourself it changes anything but aesthetics, and don’t disappear back to the brunch spot when your preferred Neoliberal ghouls win an election.
This is how I know you’re not American.
If you think Biden vs Trump was solely aesthetics you’re absolutely clueless. You are brain rotted from media.
I live in Seattle. Let me know next time you’re in town and we can meet up for a coffee.
If you think Biden vs Trump changed anything but the number of mean tweets deemed newsworthy, then you’re the one brainrotted by billionaire owned media. Remember those kids in cages from the first Trump administration? (Actually from the Obama Administration, but let’s not challenge your memory too hard) At what point in Biden’s Presidency were those cages empty of children?
Then get your ass out of your La-Z-Boy, throw on your slippers and go vote for actual progressive candidates instead of complaining how unfair the world is like your opinion matters more than a dog’s wet fart. You sit there and act like you’re such an enlightened genius because you realize both sides are bad, so instead of doing something to change either of the sides, you sit around and encourage everyone else to sit around and just bitch about it. Unless you’re doing literally anything to try and change literally anything, you can shove this pro-fascist garbage up your own ass and stop trying to convince other people that doing nothing is the right choice. Fucking loser attitude
I spent a decade working my ass off for progressive candidates. Which means I know how the party actually works and how it prevents anyone who isn’t a Third Way Foundation certified Neoliberal ghoul from ever getting to touch any real power.
You should do the same. You’ll learn the same lesson and you’ll become another bitter middle aged communist arguing online with children who think their 10th grade civics class understands of politics qualifies them to tell you anything at all.
For someone who claims to have 10 years of political experience, you sure seem to be pretty ignorant of the point of voting or how it works. As someone with actual experience, I can confidently say you’re an idiot making shit up to try to interfere with elections
What’s your actual experience? You clearly don’t understand how the power structures in the Democratic Party work, your “actual experience” is what, phone banking and maybe door knocking?
If you actually know anything about it, then refute my central point: the Democratic Party as an institution exists to protect Wall St, and while Progressives are welcome aboard as long as they keep the left flank reliably voting “Blue No Matter Who”, they will never be allowed to have any real power inside the party or any real influence on policy. Explain how I’m wrong if you actually know anything at all about who controls what in the Democratic Party.
You make an amazing amount of assumptions about other people while highlighting your own ignorance. You’re the reason we’re where we are.
What ten year period did you spend working on campaigns for Democratic candidates? What other bona fides do you have to talk about party politics and the organization of the Democratic Party as a whole with any authority?
Seems to me like you’re the one highlighting your ignorance by dismissing someone with a lot more relevant experience in the subject at hand with nothing but a “nuh-uh!!”.
And that means that like I’ve been saying all along, you and everyone else happily accepting narratives from billionaire owned media are the actual reason we’re here.
You’re such a monumental moron it’s impressive. I’ve never said I supported billionaires or Liberals, but that’s all you can assume. Either your brain has become mush or you’re Israeli or Russian, but either way it’s an embarassment to argue with you any further
And yet it’s still completely obvious.
I question these comments when I read them.
Do you live in the US?
I can promise you it was much different under Obama, Biden and Clinton.
I do live in the US. And the only thing that was different under them was that it was closer in time to the time when the USSR existed and capital had to compromise with labor to keep labor from revolting. The further we get, the more compromised are rolled back (by both parties, regardless of who’s nominally in power), the worse it seems, but that’s just linear time, not Dem administrations being better.
You know where things were absolutely not any better under Obama, Biden, or Clinton? Anywhere outside the Imperial Core. I promise the people of Libya are not thanking Obama and Hillary for bringing open air slave markets to Tripoli, the people of Gaza aren’t thanking Biden for turbocharging their genocide, fucking nobody with a brain thinks Clinton did anything good for anyone but his Wall St donors. To say
Is to say that you don’t see people outside the US and Western Europe as fully human.
Lmfao. Bro you’re cooked. No idea what you’re talking about. Just rah rah rah talking points!
Your inability to understand simple concepts is a you problem, not a problem with the concepts.
Highly unlikely
“Anyone who doesn’t regurgitate the billionaire owned media narrative is a dirty foreigner or subhuman bot”
What a very serious and not at all insane political philosophy you have there.
Lol, we’re simply making observations. But that’s a cute deflection.
You could try going back to what I originally wrote and responding to its actual substance instead of dismissing any criticism you don’t have a talking point to counter as bots and evil foreigners, but I doubt you will.
You’re literally leaping to conclusions.
If voting didn’t matter. They wouldn’t dump so much effort and money into it. All of it. The media machine, the trolls online, the ads, all of it.
It clearly fucking matters.
Jesus, you’re so close and yet so far away.
Voting matters and they invest all that energy in it precisely because the biannual pageantry keeps you from revolting. Because you’re foolish enough to believe that the people doing all that to keep you voting instead of fighting back will someday lose an election that lets you strip their wealth and power away. It’s the promise of an eternal reward in heaven for medieval serfs dressed up in modern clothes.
Here, let’s let a sci-fi comedy write explain it, fiction is like political theory for Liberals, right?
“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see…”
“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”
“No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?”
Are you doing anything about it? How do you actually see it happening? Real questions.
And yeah, I mean, it’s a shitty vote, but it’s harmless to go and just do it. It CAN be worse if you don’t. Fuck, even my compatriots vote while being under dictatorship.