It was the explicit support for genocide and the tacit support for transphobia that made me dislike her.
I don’t blame anybody with family in Palestine refusing to vote for her.
I think Trump is the perfect candidate to destroy the Clintonian Democratic party, because their entire goal is to be The Lesser of Two Evils. They want to press right up to the Republicans like it’s a tango, and tell everybody “look, I’m not as bad as him, vote for me!”
Trump pulled Harris so far out with him that her own voters didn’t recognize themselves in her platform. She wanted more wars, more violent policing, more surveillance, more queer phobia entrenched into law, more uneven tax system. She had no policies that I approved of that didn’t take a paragraph to explain.
Look, I don’t live in the US but there is usually a side that is a lot worse than the other. Holier than thou attitudes of “but the better side wasn’t as good as I wanted so I let the worse side get into power” is basically being part of an apocalyptic cult. It’s pathetic. You could still oppose everything you oppose now but with a better baseline. Yeah I want my left politicians to be better in certain topics—some that impact me a lot personally and I can still be an advocate for those things—it doesn’t mean I implicitly support the extreme right here getting into power.
I do live in the U.S., and I’m acutely aware that it’s not a law of nature. It won’t endure forever, as some sort of fundamental human condition. It may feel that way because it’s always been there, even in our great-grandparents’ lifetimes, by we’re seeing how fragile it actually is. The nation and its values have to be maintained, as any system has to. Voting for the lesser evil every time, rather than doing the maintenance, will catch up to us. There won’t always be a next time to attempt a non-evil candidate.
It ain’t fair, there’s not always a solution or a good option, but that’s life. We need better than what Harris offered, or we’re cooked.
Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
Harris was a bit wishy washy on the subject.
But hey, at least we went with the greater of two evils. Horay for the maybe .001% of the population with family in Palestine. At least in the long run, they will have a nice resort to stay at while visiting the graves of their families.
Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
That’s what Ben-Gvir, and other Israeli ultranationalists want. They’d still want that even if Harris were President. I just don’t see the evidence that her adminstration would be pushing back on that, given that Democratic leaders are still voting to send foreign aid to Israel.
(I’m not trying to defend the fascist regime, but I think truth matters.)
The reason is kind of important, no? You can shrug and say idiots and racists, but that’s far from the whole story, not really even the primary reason. A big piece of it is people feeling disengaged from politics, which is understandable, since U.S. policy hasn’t reflected the will of the people for almost 50 years now.
More or less telegraphing that “I will not listen to what you want” and “I support evil but have the decency to feel bad about it” (like on Gaza, for example) is not a great way to motivate people in this environment.
It was the explicit support for genocide and the tacit support for transphobia that made me dislike her.
I don’t blame anybody with family in Palestine refusing to vote for her.
I think Trump is the perfect candidate to destroy the Clintonian Democratic party, because their entire goal is to be The Lesser of Two Evils. They want to press right up to the Republicans like it’s a tango, and tell everybody “look, I’m not as bad as him, vote for me!”
Trump pulled Harris so far out with him that her own voters didn’t recognize themselves in her platform. She wanted more wars, more violent policing, more surveillance, more queer phobia entrenched into law, more uneven tax system. She had no policies that I approved of that didn’t take a paragraph to explain.
Complete malpractice.
Look, I don’t live in the US but there is usually a side that is a lot worse than the other. Holier than thou attitudes of “but the better side wasn’t as good as I wanted so I let the worse side get into power” is basically being part of an apocalyptic cult. It’s pathetic. You could still oppose everything you oppose now but with a better baseline. Yeah I want my left politicians to be better in certain topics—some that impact me a lot personally and I can still be an advocate for those things—it doesn’t mean I implicitly support the extreme right here getting into power.
Look I donated to and voted for Harris, and urged others to do the same.
But I’m not in the turd polishing business, and that’s what Democrats expect their base to do, over and over again.
I do live in the U.S., and I’m acutely aware that it’s not a law of nature. It won’t endure forever, as some sort of fundamental human condition. It may feel that way because it’s always been there, even in our great-grandparents’ lifetimes, by we’re seeing how fragile it actually is. The nation and its values have to be maintained, as any system has to. Voting for the lesser evil every time, rather than doing the maintenance, will catch up to us. There won’t always be a next time to attempt a non-evil candidate.
It ain’t fair, there’s not always a solution or a good option, but that’s life. We need better than what Harris offered, or we’re cooked.
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Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
Harris was a bit wishy washy on the subject.
But hey, at least we went with the greater of two evils. Horay for the maybe .001% of the population with family in Palestine. At least in the long run, they will have a nice resort to stay at while visiting the graves of their families.
I donated to and voted for Harris.
Because I hated Trump.
There was nothing else appealing about her to me, and I have a lot of the identity politics that was theoretically supposed to make me gooey for her.
Wouldn’t count on that one.
This must be so annoying for you
Stop belittling opposition to genocide just because you are incapable of loving anything else.
Biden literally did a genocide, no matter how wonky you make the letters, scumbag.
That’s what Ben-Gvir, and other Israeli ultranationalists want. They’d still want that even if Harris were President. I just don’t see the evidence that her adminstration would be pushing back on that, given that Democratic leaders are still voting to send foreign aid to Israel.
(I’m not trying to defend the fascist regime, but I think truth matters.)
I mean, my point is, both choices were bad for Palestine on some level. One choice was demonstably terrible, for literally everyone, everywhere.
And for some reason (idiots, racists) we picked the terrible option.
The reason is kind of important, no? You can shrug and say idiots and racists, but that’s far from the whole story, not really even the primary reason. A big piece of it is people feeling disengaged from politics, which is understandable, since U.S. policy hasn’t reflected the will of the people for almost 50 years now.
More or less telegraphing that “I will not listen to what you want” and “I support evil but have the decency to feel bad about it” (like on Gaza, for example) is not a great way to motivate people in this environment.