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He’s approaching it as someone new to Linux. Nobody that new would know it as beta quality software when it’s presented as the main download from the website. Calling newbies a fool for not following Linux news is just classic Linux elitism.
Ok, fair enough. Pop OS, once again, should be ashamed. It’s pretty egregious that they don’t make it very clear that this is beta (maybe even alpha) quality software.
So, as a normal person, when an OS isn’t working and has a bunch of bugs, wouldn’t the correct response be to try another OS? Especially when your friends aren’t having the issues you’re having. He’s tried Pop twice now, and both times, the clowntown devs have caused him headaches. Maybe try another OS and stop shitting on Linux as a whole because of Pop OS.
The problem with Linus is that he views himself as an expert in computers when really he’s just decent at Windows. He knows basically nothing about anything but DOS derived OSes. Give him something POSIX and he’s completely lost. He acts worse than a newbie, because a newbie at least knows that they know nothing.
Linus didn’t shit on Linux as a whole, come on. Last time he tried Pop was over a year ago, he figured something might’ve changed in the meantime. And he did research what could be causing the issues (and found a fix for L4D2), and did also mention that overall the system was intuitive, installing it was fairly simple and he enjoyed not having his data being sold. He also said that all his devices were plug-and-play, no driver downloading shenanigans required. But of course he is going to highlight the issues he runs into, it’s kind of the point of the video to show that not all experiences with Linux are seamless, and you can get radically different results depending on your chosen distro.
Yes, I think the main problem was System 76 shipping a beta DE with an LTS release, which is why I’m surprised most people focused on shitting on Linus for the problem he is having.
Given that most users are still on Windows, you can tell just how numb most people are to bs coming from their OS, so it makes sense for an average user to try out a popular distro a 2nd time after it didn’t work out the first time. Also, this is the 2nd time he’s trying it, so calling it his fault for not trying another distro after failing twice is kinda misplaced, isn’t it? If he’s still on Pop!_OS in the next video, then your criticism would make sense. He’s also not shitting on Linux, only showing the problems he encountered. If he was trying to shit on Linux, the perspective of the other two presenters wouldn’t be so positive.
Linus definitely plays up the character of someone who knows enough to be dangerous. That’s part of the entertainment of his channel. Expecting him to only do things competently is basically asking him to abandon the style of his current content. It’s like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. You’re never gonna get it and you shouldn’t be expecting it.
He is shitting on Linux. Look at the thumbnail and title of the video. He’s pushing the narrative that Linux is difficult. Linux isn’t particularly difficult, it’s just different than Windows. If you have no knowledge of either, they’d both be difficult to use. I know for me, using Windows is such a pain in the ass, cause everything is so different than Linux, and I’ve been using Linux for 18 years. But I’m not going to say Windows is difficult just because I’m unfamiliar with it.
It’s way easier to do a lot of things in Linux than Windows, and to his credit, he does touch on this for a few seconds in his video. But he spends so much time focusing on the bugs in the beta quality software that no other distro uses that yet again, he’s going to be pushing people away from Linux as a whole because he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
He needs to realize that he’s not “cursed”, he’s just nowhere near the computer expert that he thinks he is. Again, he’s just a fool.
You mean the beta piece of software that is shipped in an LTS release that nobody who don’t follow Linux news would know is a beta software? And you’re blaming the people who don’t know instead of the people who should know better than to do that?
I’m blaming someone who should have enough expertise to understand that that can happen and how to avoid it. I mean Luke literally brought it up himself as a criticism of Linus’ approach for that video in the WAN Show the other day.
You’re acting like Linus is just some nobody who has zero responsibility when he’s talking about Linux. That’s not true. For better or for worse, people will listen to his opinions and takes on things. If those takes are grossly uninformed, that’s his fault, and it’s irresponsible of him as an influencer. If he can’t be bothered to do more than an hour of research before spouting off his nonsense opinions, then he just shouldn’t be talking about Linux. Let someone more competent from his team do it.
I can tell you didn’t watch the video properly, since he already said he doing it from an approach of someone new to Linux, as he always does whenever these challenges occur. Saying someone shouldn’t use Linux if they didn’t do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist. I’m sure many people like to deal with gatekeepers that judge people based on how much time they have to spend on researching their OS.
Saying someone shouldn’t use Linux if they didn’t do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist.
I agree. It’s a good thing I didn’t say that.
The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system is not to do one hour of research then complain to millions of people that the system isn’t doing what you’re trying to make it do.
IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer, one who just doesn’t know enough about the product or bother to research it enough to give an accurate review. Imagine if MKBHD reviewed Android by only taking a look at a Boost Mobile phone.
And it’s not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux. I’m perfectly happy with him using Linux. He can use it all he wants. I’ll never try to stop him. But when he makes these videos, he’s just being an idiot and an asshole. If he titled his video, “Giving PopOS One More Chance”, I’d be less disgusted by his behavior. Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.
The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system
Luckily, they never used the word review to refer to the purpose of the video, so your criticism is already out-of-place.
IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer
Again, their job was not as a reviewer, but as a tester for Linux in their specific usecase. In Linus’s case, he added that he was doing it like an average user.
And it’s not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux.
What misinformation? Did Pop!_OS not ship a beta software with their LTS release that caused all the problems that Linus faced? Did his google search not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Did ChatGPT not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Show me where the misinformation was in the video?
I’m perfectly happy with him using Linux.
Yes, you’re just unhappy other people are using it and finding problems.
Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.
Thank god the other two didn’t find many problems? If they found a lot of problems, are they also now spreading misinformation?
Just no. This has nothing to do with Linux - this guy has a huge team of people doing research, orchestrating videos and analyzing interactions. This is the face of a huge company, not some “newbie” like you make it appear.
This is simply another piece of engagement bait. He will never have good success because he will have another “last go” in half a year.
He didn’t have a motivation to switch. He didn’t raise a clear scenario why he claims to want to switch. He’s baiting communities like this one and I’m quite annoyed that this fucker still succeeds.
I’ve met many Linux newbies in my life - not a single one just went with the first distro showing up. Not a single one. Depending on the individual it was either “what’s best for me?” or “What’s easiest?”. I can count the people who didn’t start out with one of those two on one hand
You’re missing the point. He said it himself. He wants to approach the challenge like what a normal person would encounter Linux. That means no team doing the research for him and no using the industry connection to solve every problem. His target audience are not Linux experts that have all the knowledge, it’s windows users who are interested in tech, but are average users. Expecting a GN type video from LTT is like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. I’d say you’d be foolish to expect that.
This is simply another piece of engagement bait.
Who is expecting otherwise? This is Linus we’re talking about.
He didn’t have a motivation to switch. He didn’t raise a clear scenario why he claims to want to switch.
What were you expecting? He’s making a video about switching to Linux for a month. When did they say he is motivated to switch completely? It’s another trial video like it has been before. If any of the participant liked it enough, they can decide to stay, like Luke did on his laptop. Where is this idea that he needs to be completely determined to switch even coming from?
I’ve met many Linux newbies in my life - not a single one just went with the first distro showing up. Not a single one. Depending on the individual it was either “what’s best for me?” or “What’s easiest?”.
Did he not google the best distro for his use case, which is gaming? What else are you expecting an average user to do? They showed two perspective of an average user when looking for a Linux distro, either by referring to Reddit recommendation or googling and asking ChatGPT? Are you telling me both of these methods are not valid or something an average user wouldn’t do?
No, you’re missing the point: he can claim all he wants. He doesn’t and didn’t. You say yourself that it’s engagement bait - why do you believe this statement of his??
Edit just because I was curious and had to test for myself:
“What’s the best Linux gaming distro” for example shows a different result for me. Adding “comparison” blows it onto a completely different direction and gives more sources.
Engangement bait doesn’t mean lie. Is that what you thought it meant this whole time?
Edit: Addressing your edit. Of the top 4 results on google not including reddit, Pop!_OS was mentioned 3 times with one article putting it at the top of the list.
He’s approaching it as someone new to Linux. Nobody that new would know it as beta quality software when it’s presented as the main download from the website. Calling newbies a fool for not following Linux news is just classic Linux elitism.
Ok, fair enough. Pop OS, once again, should be ashamed. It’s pretty egregious that they don’t make it very clear that this is beta (maybe even alpha) quality software.
So, as a normal person, when an OS isn’t working and has a bunch of bugs, wouldn’t the correct response be to try another OS? Especially when your friends aren’t having the issues you’re having. He’s tried Pop twice now, and both times, the clowntown devs have caused him headaches. Maybe try another OS and stop shitting on Linux as a whole because of Pop OS.
The problem with Linus is that he views himself as an expert in computers when really he’s just decent at Windows. He knows basically nothing about anything but DOS derived OSes. Give him something POSIX and he’s completely lost. He acts worse than a newbie, because a newbie at least knows that they know nothing.
Linus didn’t shit on Linux as a whole, come on. Last time he tried Pop was over a year ago, he figured something might’ve changed in the meantime. And he did research what could be causing the issues (and found a fix for L4D2), and did also mention that overall the system was intuitive, installing it was fairly simple and he enjoyed not having his data being sold. He also said that all his devices were plug-and-play, no driver downloading shenanigans required. But of course he is going to highlight the issues he runs into, it’s kind of the point of the video to show that not all experiences with Linux are seamless, and you can get radically different results depending on your chosen distro.
Yes, I think the main problem was System 76 shipping a beta DE with an LTS release, which is why I’m surprised most people focused on shitting on Linus for the problem he is having.
Given that most users are still on Windows, you can tell just how numb most people are to bs coming from their OS, so it makes sense for an average user to try out a popular distro a 2nd time after it didn’t work out the first time. Also, this is the 2nd time he’s trying it, so calling it his fault for not trying another distro after failing twice is kinda misplaced, isn’t it? If he’s still on Pop!_OS in the next video, then your criticism would make sense. He’s also not shitting on Linux, only showing the problems he encountered. If he was trying to shit on Linux, the perspective of the other two presenters wouldn’t be so positive.
Linus definitely plays up the character of someone who knows enough to be dangerous. That’s part of the entertainment of his channel. Expecting him to only do things competently is basically asking him to abandon the style of his current content. It’s like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. You’re never gonna get it and you shouldn’t be expecting it.
He is shitting on Linux. Look at the thumbnail and title of the video. He’s pushing the narrative that Linux is difficult. Linux isn’t particularly difficult, it’s just different than Windows. If you have no knowledge of either, they’d both be difficult to use. I know for me, using Windows is such a pain in the ass, cause everything is so different than Linux, and I’ve been using Linux for 18 years. But I’m not going to say Windows is difficult just because I’m unfamiliar with it.
It’s way easier to do a lot of things in Linux than Windows, and to his credit, he does touch on this for a few seconds in his video. But he spends so much time focusing on the bugs in the beta quality software that no other distro uses that yet again, he’s going to be pushing people away from Linux as a whole because he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
He needs to realize that he’s not “cursed”, he’s just nowhere near the computer expert that he thinks he is. Again, he’s just a fool.
You mean the beta piece of software that is shipped in an LTS release that nobody who don’t follow Linux news would know is a beta software? And you’re blaming the people who don’t know instead of the people who should know better than to do that?
I’m blaming someone who should have enough expertise to understand that that can happen and how to avoid it. I mean Luke literally brought it up himself as a criticism of Linus’ approach for that video in the WAN Show the other day.
You’re acting like Linus is just some nobody who has zero responsibility when he’s talking about Linux. That’s not true. For better or for worse, people will listen to his opinions and takes on things. If those takes are grossly uninformed, that’s his fault, and it’s irresponsible of him as an influencer. If he can’t be bothered to do more than an hour of research before spouting off his nonsense opinions, then he just shouldn’t be talking about Linux. Let someone more competent from his team do it.
I can tell you didn’t watch the video properly, since he already said he doing it from an approach of someone new to Linux, as he always does whenever these challenges occur. Saying someone shouldn’t use Linux if they didn’t do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist. I’m sure many people like to deal with gatekeepers that judge people based on how much time they have to spend on researching their OS.
I agree. It’s a good thing I didn’t say that.
The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system is not to do one hour of research then complain to millions of people that the system isn’t doing what you’re trying to make it do.
IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer, one who just doesn’t know enough about the product or bother to research it enough to give an accurate review. Imagine if MKBHD reviewed Android by only taking a look at a Boost Mobile phone.
And it’s not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux. I’m perfectly happy with him using Linux. He can use it all he wants. I’ll never try to stop him. But when he makes these videos, he’s just being an idiot and an asshole. If he titled his video, “Giving PopOS One More Chance”, I’d be less disgusted by his behavior. Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.
Luckily, they never used the word review to refer to the purpose of the video, so your criticism is already out-of-place.
Again, their job was not as a reviewer, but as a tester for Linux in their specific usecase. In Linus’s case, he added that he was doing it like an average user.
What misinformation? Did Pop!_OS not ship a beta software with their LTS release that caused all the problems that Linus faced? Did his google search not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Did ChatGPT not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Show me where the misinformation was in the video?
Yes, you’re just unhappy other people are using it and finding problems.
Thank god the other two didn’t find many problems? If they found a lot of problems, are they also now spreading misinformation?
Just no. This has nothing to do with Linux - this guy has a huge team of people doing research, orchestrating videos and analyzing interactions. This is the face of a huge company, not some “newbie” like you make it appear.
This is simply another piece of engagement bait. He will never have good success because he will have another “last go” in half a year.
He didn’t have a motivation to switch. He didn’t raise a clear scenario why he claims to want to switch. He’s baiting communities like this one and I’m quite annoyed that this fucker still succeeds.
I’ve met many Linux newbies in my life - not a single one just went with the first distro showing up. Not a single one. Depending on the individual it was either “what’s best for me?” or “What’s easiest?”. I can count the people who didn’t start out with one of those two on one hand
You’re missing the point. He said it himself. He wants to approach the challenge like what a normal person would encounter Linux. That means no team doing the research for him and no using the industry connection to solve every problem. His target audience are not Linux experts that have all the knowledge, it’s windows users who are interested in tech, but are average users. Expecting a GN type video from LTT is like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. I’d say you’d be foolish to expect that.
Who is expecting otherwise? This is Linus we’re talking about.
What were you expecting? He’s making a video about switching to Linux for a month. When did they say he is motivated to switch completely? It’s another trial video like it has been before. If any of the participant liked it enough, they can decide to stay, like Luke did on his laptop. Where is this idea that he needs to be completely determined to switch even coming from?
Did he not google the best distro for his use case, which is gaming? What else are you expecting an average user to do? They showed two perspective of an average user when looking for a Linux distro, either by referring to Reddit recommendation or googling and asking ChatGPT? Are you telling me both of these methods are not valid or something an average user wouldn’t do?
No, you’re missing the point: he can claim all he wants. He doesn’t and didn’t. You say yourself that it’s engagement bait - why do you believe this statement of his??
Edit just because I was curious and had to test for myself: “What’s the best Linux gaming distro” for example shows a different result for me. Adding “comparison” blows it onto a completely different direction and gives more sources.
Engangement bait doesn’t mean lie. Is that what you thought it meant this whole time?
Edit: Addressing your edit. Of the top 4 results on google not including reddit, Pop!_OS was mentioned 3 times with one article putting it at the top of the list.