stephen01king

Yeah, that was caused by cosmic, but the issue he is the closest to blaming Valve and Linux for was the L4D one. The Helldiver one is literally just the game being buggy, but since Linus is new to it, he probably doesn’t know that. At the very least, he didn’t really try and blame Linux directly with that one.

Yeah, the curse on him. The video is also showing relatively painless experience of the other two presenters and Linus should also know about their experience.

Well, as it turns put, the L4D issue is caused by Valve and not the Cosmic Desktop, so he isn’t wrong.

he’s attributing bugs in Cosmic to everything except Cosmic. Cosmic’s compositor, especially, has a bunch of bugs, and he’s hitting them, while blaming them on Valve and Linux.

Did he? All I see is him showing the bugs he is experiencing after following a pretty normal way an average person would do to select and install a Linux distro. Given that an average computer user would not know that Cosmic DE is a beta software, there would be no way they would attribute any bugs to it specifically.

And the best you can say is, well, he’s only spreading misinformation because he’s ignorant. But how does he not realize that it’s his distro when the other guys never see those bugs??

The only thing he specifically blamed for the problems he’s encountering is his own curse, which shows he doesn’t think this is a normal experience of using Linux. But, at the end of the day, he is neither using a niche distro nor is he using problematic hardware like an Nvidia card, so his experience is just as valid as any to be considered a Linux experience.

Also, this is a live reaction, so obviously there is no time to compare and contrast his experience with the other two and do proper troubleshooting. That should be in later videos. Whether the solution he chose is to change distro or not is something people have to see and not immediately assume and judge him for. The latter is simply jumping the gun based on feelings and not facts.

The fact that you didn’t realize that what he was saying was untrue kind of proves my point. He’s spreading misinformation.

Its only a misinformation if you assume he is blaming Linux and Valve, but I only see it as showing in what way the experience can still be broken by an average non-technical user. It’s not like he’s doing anything particularly egregious to cause the issues, anyway. Selecting a non-niche distro and choosing an LTS release is pretty reasonable for anyone that isn’t following Linux closely.

Kinda, but I think your quote is even more apt when applied to the people shitting on Linus by letting their strong feelings get in the way of the facts.

The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system

Luckily, they never used the word review to refer to the purpose of the video, so your criticism is already out-of-place.

IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer

Again, their job was not as a reviewer, but as a tester for Linux in their specific usecase. In Linus’s case, he added that he was doing it like an average user.

And it’s not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux.

What misinformation? Did Pop!_OS not ship a beta software with their LTS release that caused all the problems that Linus faced? Did his google search not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Did ChatGPT not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Show me where the misinformation was in the video?

I’m perfectly happy with him using Linux.

Yes, you’re just unhappy other people are using it and finding problems.

Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.

Thank god the other two didn’t find many problems? If they found a lot of problems, are they also now spreading misinformation?

I can tell you didn’t watch the video properly, since he already said he doing it from an approach of someone new to Linux, as he always does whenever these challenges occur. Saying someone shouldn’t use Linux if they didn’t do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist. I’m sure many people like to deal with gatekeepers that judge people based on how much time they have to spend on researching their OS.

The reason they have 16.8 million subscriber is because they cater to the average tech-interested user and not tech experts. Not including the experience of an average person that hasn’t done a ton of research would be to exclude their biggest demographic. Besides, it’s not like they only show one perspective. People seem to love ignoring the fact that the other 2 presenters had an okay time with their Linux install and can serve as the alternative route to Linus’s own painful experience.

So you mean exactly what he’s gonna do after the LAN party? So all I can see is that people are so quick to jump on his throat that they assume he’s gonna end the experiment where the video ends. Got it.

So, despite the fact that I’m addressing your points properly, you’re just gonna accuse me of not arguing faithfully for no reason at all?

Engangement bait doesn’t mean lie. Is that what you thought it meant this whole time?

Edit: Addressing your edit. Of the top 4 results on google not including reddit, Pop!_OS was mentioned 3 times with one article putting it at the top of the list.

You mean the beta piece of software that is shipped in an LTS release that nobody who don’t follow Linux news would know is a beta software? And you’re blaming the people who don’t know instead of the people who should know better than to do that?

And yet which of the issue he encountered had anything to do with him being distracted during the event? Can you point it out to me?

You’re missing the point. He said it himself. He wants to approach the challenge like what a normal person would encounter Linux. That means no team doing the research for him and no using the industry connection to solve every problem. His target audience are not Linux experts that have all the knowledge, it’s windows users who are interested in tech, but are average users. Expecting a GN type video from LTT is like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. I’d say you’d be foolish to expect that.

This is simply another piece of engagement bait.

Who is expecting otherwise? This is Linus we’re talking about.

He didn’t have a motivation to switch. He didn’t raise a clear scenario why he claims to want to switch.

What were you expecting? He’s making a video about switching to Linux for a month. When did they say he is motivated to switch completely? It’s another trial video like it has been before. If any of the participant liked it enough, they can decide to stay, like Luke did on his laptop. Where is this idea that he needs to be completely determined to switch even coming from?

I’ve met many Linux newbies in my life - not a single one just went with the first distro showing up. Not a single one. Depending on the individual it was either “what’s best for me?” or “What’s easiest?”.

Did he not google the best distro for his use case, which is gaming? What else are you expecting an average user to do? They showed two perspective of an average user when looking for a Linux distro, either by referring to Reddit recommendation or googling and asking ChatGPT? Are you telling me both of these methods are not valid or something an average user wouldn’t do?

Yes, I think the main problem was System 76 shipping a beta DE with an LTS release, which is why I’m surprised most people focused on shitting on Linus for the problem he is having.

Given that most users are still on Windows, you can tell just how numb most people are to bs coming from their OS, so it makes sense for an average user to try out a popular distro a 2nd time after it didn’t work out the first time. Also, this is the 2nd time he’s trying it, so calling it his fault for not trying another distro after failing twice is kinda misplaced, isn’t it? If he’s still on Pop!_OS in the next video, then your criticism would make sense. He’s also not shitting on Linux, only showing the problems he encountered. If he was trying to shit on Linux, the perspective of the other two presenters wouldn’t be so positive.

Linus definitely plays up the character of someone who knows enough to be dangerous. That’s part of the entertainment of his channel. Expecting him to only do things competently is basically asking him to abandon the style of his current content. It’s like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. You’re never gonna get it and you shouldn’t be expecting it.

He’s roleplaying as a newbie nontechnical user, which he always does. Asking ChatGPT is normal for an average user, at least from my experience of an average user. You’re suggesting that one bad experience should be enough for anyone to completely write-off a distro? Isn’t that a bit of a toxic approach to things?

And the playful incompetency and antics are part of the identity of the channel. I get it. Its Top Gear for PC and tech related topics.

OK, so you do know. That’s good.

But in this video it just feels like he has zero interested in the challenge and openly tries to make Linux look bad.

That’s the part I don’t get. Where is he openly trying to make Linux look bad?

I’m sure somebody will argue he just plays a fool to provide a cautionary how not to approach a switch to Linux.

Because he does that regularly.

But i dont see that. The video isnt setup like that.

Because the video isn’t meant to be that, but Linus does that anyway. You can see from the other two presenters that they don’t aim for that. Linus just thinks that’s the way he should approach it to give the video more value and anyone that is familiar with him would know that.

He seems genuinely surprised that when you install an OS with which you arent experienced with in middle of a LAN party it wont work out.

Are you suggesting that any OS would break when installed in the middle of a LAN party when done by someone inexperienced? Can you explain this thought process a bit better? I just don’t see how the problem he is having is caused directly by his inexperience or the fact that he is at a LAN party. Isn’t it mostly due to Pop!_OS shipping a beta DE in an LTS release?

While beeing the organizer of the party AND beeing filmed for a video. Yeah, no shit it didnt work out.

Again, I don’t see the relation between those and the problem he experienced.

He’s approaching it as someone new to Linux. Nobody that new would know it as beta quality software when it’s presented as the main download from the website. Calling newbies a fool for not following Linux news is just classic Linux elitism.

What did he do that is so wrong this time? As always, he approaches it like someone that doesn’t know Linux intimately and are not technical enought to rtfm, so I don’t understand why it is you guys are expecting newbies to act like they’re used to Linux all of a sudden?

You guys are being pretty stupid to expect most people that is trying Linux the first or 2nd time to have any idea what a Cosmic Desktop is supposed to be and why it’s a bad idea to use it at this moment? Calling people fools for not following Linux news at all is pretty elitist. You’re reminding me again why I hate interacting with the Linux community sometimes.

So please list down everything he does that you claim to be deliberate mistakes that anyone that’s used a computer for a long time wouldn’t think of making and how they caused the issues he is having in this video. He is literally roleplaying as a Linux noob and not an expert or as someone with the connection to breeze through any problem he has, so I don’t know why you’re so surprised.