That the “left vs right” rhetoric can become devisive for the people, when we should be more focused on the elite class that wants to keep us that way. But I’m rather dull, so maybe my points are dumb
Yeah, I guess so. But how could we attract people to class-issues , without having them become defensive about their current understanding/beliefs? Maybe I just feel disheartened lately and need to refresh my spirit a little
You keep describing left vs. right. Who is this “elite” you talk of, why do you think they are in the position they are in, how do they maintain that position, with what tools and for what reason? - Because they are capitalists or they enjoy the fruits of capitalism.
And you are also sowing division in that you are describing an ingroup and an outgroup, just like any other political terminology does.
Talking about politics only causes division because there is an inherent friction in “I would like to feed my kids” and “I think you should be an indentured servant”. The only way to avoid any division is to not talk about it altogether, which only furthers the aims of the “elite” i. e. The capitalists in charge.
I’m not trying to say the “left” and “right” doesn’t exist, and it absolutely needs to be talked about… just that hounding on one broad idea can sometimes make people dig harder into their manufactured beliefs. I don’t have a solution for bringing about more class-consciousness either, but I can try to disengage from feeling like the whole world is divided — when a majority would probably prefer not to play in the capitalist games if they could opt-out
I guess you’re right (well, 'correct"… you know what I mean). I just wish there was a better/faster way to attract people into wanting to learn about how it could be different, rather than “shocking” them and potentially having them dig in their heels
I’ve always felt that the majority of people aren’t inherently selfish, and would prefer to help others (if they weren’t simply trying to survive). I mean… I guess I’m just trying to say that “capitalism” seems to always end the same. But also, writing it out loud makes me feel like I’ll be targeted
I wish there was a way to make people feel safe as they try to learn about different solutions
I wish there was a way to make people feel safe as they try to learn about different solutions.
The best advice I can give you is to educate yourself and then help others learn. Meet then were they are. The questions you have and the observations you’ve made aren’t novel, which is good, because it means there are others that’s have already done the hard work of finding and testing the answers. @Cowbee@lemmy.ml Has a great reading list with a bunch of literature that would help you. It’s very approachable.
I really appreciate it. I probably need to do a little more reading, if only for the potential to become a better teacher. Meeting people where they are is my standard approach as is… it just takes so long! And feels like you lose ground all the time; but I guess you can only lead a horse to water. Saving your comment for continued learning
Proceeds to miss the point entirely, and continues being divisive
But I’d rather have your shitty take on my side, than a billionaire’s shitty take on humanity as a product
Edit: I appreciate y’all talking with me about it
What is your point.
That the “left vs right” rhetoric can become devisive for the people, when we should be more focused on the elite class that wants to keep us that way. But I’m rather dull, so maybe my points are dumb
Well, you’re almost there.
I accept help if you’re willing/able to teach
Class analysis is left politics. So rich vs poor is left politics definitionally.
Yeah, I guess so. But how could we attract people to class-issues , without having them become defensive about their current understanding/beliefs? Maybe I just feel disheartened lately and need to refresh my spirit a little
Sorry it’s been a crazy few days.
There’s tons of agit prop out there that distills leftist thought into basically memes.
What’s “agit prop”? Like “agitative propaganda”?
You keep describing left vs. right. Who is this “elite” you talk of, why do you think they are in the position they are in, how do they maintain that position, with what tools and for what reason? - Because they are capitalists or they enjoy the fruits of capitalism.
And you are also sowing division in that you are describing an ingroup and an outgroup, just like any other political terminology does.
Talking about politics only causes division because there is an inherent friction in “I would like to feed my kids” and “I think you should be an indentured servant”. The only way to avoid any division is to not talk about it altogether, which only furthers the aims of the “elite” i. e. The capitalists in charge.
I’m not trying to say the “left” and “right” doesn’t exist, and it absolutely needs to be talked about… just that hounding on one broad idea can sometimes make people dig harder into their manufactured beliefs. I don’t have a solution for bringing about more class-consciousness either, but I can try to disengage from feeling like the whole world is divided — when a majority would probably prefer not to play in the capitalist games if they could opt-out
I mean… you are pressening a framework that is even simpler and more broad than left and rightwing politics, so I don’t know what to tell you there.
I guess you’re right (well, 'correct"… you know what I mean). I just wish there was a better/faster way to attract people into wanting to learn about how it could be different, rather than “shocking” them and potentially having them dig in their heels
I’ve always felt that the majority of people aren’t inherently selfish, and would prefer to help others (if they weren’t simply trying to survive). I mean… I guess I’m just trying to say that “capitalism” seems to always end the same. But also, writing it out loud makes me feel like I’ll be targeted
I wish there was a way to make people feel safe as they try to learn about different solutions
The best advice I can give you is to educate yourself and then help others learn. Meet then were they are. The questions you have and the observations you’ve made aren’t novel, which is good, because it means there are others that’s have already done the hard work of finding and testing the answers.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml Has a great reading list with a bunch of literature that would help you. It’s very approachable.
Here’s the basic ML study guide you mentioned!
I really appreciate it. I probably need to do a little more reading, if only for the potential to become a better teacher. Meeting people where they are is my standard approach as is… it just takes so long! And feels like you lose ground all the time; but I guess you can only lead a horse to water. Saving your comment for continued learning