Found this graph online for anyone who might still be confused. I think this makes it much more clear.

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    You keep describing left vs. right. Who is this “elite” you talk of, why do you think they are in the position they are in, how do they maintain that position, with what tools and for what reason? - Because they are capitalists or they enjoy the fruits of capitalism.
    And you are also sowing division in that you are describing an ingroup and an outgroup, just like any other political terminology does.
    Talking about politics only causes division because there is an inherent friction in “I would like to feed my kids” and “I think you should be an indentured servant”. The only way to avoid any division is to not talk about it altogether, which only furthers the aims of the “elite” i. e. The capitalists in charge.

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      I’m not trying to say the “left” and “right” doesn’t exist, and it absolutely needs to be talked about… just that hounding on one broad idea can sometimes make people dig harder into their manufactured beliefs. I don’t have a solution for bringing about more class-consciousness either, but I can try to disengage from feeling like the whole world is divided — when a majority would probably prefer not to play in the capitalist games if they could opt-out

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          I guess you’re right (well, 'correct"… you know what I mean). I just wish there was a better/faster way to attract people into wanting to learn about how it could be different, rather than “shocking” them and potentially having them dig in their heels

          I’ve always felt that the majority of people aren’t inherently selfish, and would prefer to help others (if they weren’t simply trying to survive). I mean… I guess I’m just trying to say that “capitalism” seems to always end the same. But also, writing it out loud makes me feel like I’ll be targeted

          I wish there was a way to make people feel safe as they try to learn about different solutions

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            I wish there was a way to make people feel safe as they try to learn about different solutions.

            The best advice I can give you is to educate yourself and then help others learn. Meet then were they are. The questions you have and the observations you’ve made aren’t novel, which is good, because it means there are others that’s have already done the hard work of finding and testing the answers.
            @Cowbee@lemmy.ml Has a great reading list with a bunch of literature that would help you. It’s very approachable.