• Vespair@lemmy.zip
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    10 days ago

    I mean, the dog has never known freedom, so why would it care which slavemaster it has?

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      Look I get where you’re coming from but when it comes to dogs, we already have billions of them and they need homes. They cant just all be let loose, it’s not feasible. The time to stop the problem was thousands of years ago, so it’s too fucking late. Do your fucking part and adopt a shelter dog.

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        We can sterilize them so that the existing dogs we have can live their best possible lives but so this does not become an continuing and increasing problem.

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          So you take issue with pet ownership as a form of slavery, but are perfectly fine with forced sterilization?

          Super consistent.

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          …my dude pick a lane. Animals deserve natural rights and freedoms, okay no pets no forced sterilization. Animals don’t deserve natural rights and freedoms, pets are okay and so is forced sterilization. You’re in a wired middle lane.

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            My lane is dogs with jobs are a wonderful innovation and boon to humanity but those that are “just pets” are a social scourge needlessly costing us money and resources that could be applied to humanity as well as furthering the goal of the powerful of killing empathy and human connection by replacing our innate need for connection with a pathetic fascimilie.

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              This is such a weird (bad) take. Companion (pet) dogs do have jobs, for a lot of us. They offer comfort through hard times, help us get outside and exercise, stay on a routine, and they ARE empathetic. When I cry, my dog knows I am upset and comes to me. She offers me empathy, even though she doesn’t understand what’s wrong. It’s not a substitute for human companionship, but it’s way better than being alone entirely.

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              I love when people blatantly post insane and self-contradictory takes so I can block them and never have to see their terrible opinions in another comment section. Makes it nice and easy

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              You are severely discounting what the love of a pet can give you in return.

              In a lot of ways, my dog saved my life. I genuinely don’t know if I would be here if it wasn’t for my dog.

              My dog keeps me going when I’m having a bad day because they need me.

              I’m a big proponent of a charity that tries to keep homeless owners with their pets.

              The love of a pet can absolutely save lives and give people a reason to not give up on trying.

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                I’m glad you found purpose in the responsibility of caregiving. Truly. But that doesn’t mean your dog loves you, I’m sorry. It is an animal whose entire existence is dependent upon you, and a child of a long line of selective breeding and conditioning designed specifically to perform for you. You chose your dog, your dog had no voice in the matter.

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                  My point wasn’t whether the dog loves me or not (he does). I was countering your implication that pets have no value and are a social scourge.

                  Your view point is incredibly narrow and shortsighted.

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                  Also, after thinking about it, your argument isn’t really that different than a baby small child being preconditioned to love its family without the cognitive ability to do so.

                  Don’t love your mom? Well that wasn’t your choice. You were unfairly preconditioned to do so against your will.

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                    Did you birth your dog? Do you share DNA? Then these are not equivalent.

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              Oh I see you one of those type of people. Endlessly complain about something that you know nothing about, and then when you’re actually educated, you move the goal posts so you sound like you still have some sort of point.

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          I want to have a pet dog but neutering is a sticky subject for me. The reason for the why is obvious, but it’s inherently morally dubious to do it. First, dogs didn’t consent to be neutered. Snuffles is right to ask. And second, imagine humans are made pets by more powerful beings and we get neutered.

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      I’m pretty sure my dogs are my slave masters. I do their bidding 24/7.