but… for the state to not exist that would require the elimination of class, which no socialism has ever been able to achieve immediately. Without a state there would be no way to enforce the abolition of private property, defend your pocket of socialism against your own bourgeoisie or a counterrevolution funded by a foreign imperialist bourgeoisie. I understand that all states commit excesses of violence and oppression and you feel rightly repulsed by that, but to get to a point where abolishing the state is possible, workers have to achieve power over most of the world, and the world is very divided by imperialism.
“Imperfect” state socialism is the only viable option when a revolution only succeeds in a portion of the world and capitalism is still the dominant, world-spanning mode of production.
I do have some ideas on how to get there without the need of a violent revolution.
I have already made somd attempts in the past to write a full book to properly explain myself here but in gist (also i am super tired)
The idea is to create a template for a new analogous economy that views ownership and the concept of money in a completely different way and presents every single data point open to everyone, yet can technically exist to be fully compatible within todays capitalist economy. This analogue system would have its own logic of logistics to manage production and distribution which at first you need to be working within the new system to get acces towards.
I believe my concept has some distinct. advantages that could make it attractive for non profit startups and organisations especially if they network with other organisations making the analogus economy bigger. It would also have huge advantages for a state to dissolve the problem of state debt. And in earnest the easiest path is a state voluntary backing early organisations in this system but its not required. And a state that does would eventually disolve much of its own power by rendering it reasonably useless.
As these decentralized networks grow it will make more and more sense to join the system, eventually replacing the one we have now and render traditional money but a wortless statistic with no more executive power then a statistical debt.
I really hope to write that book someday, a social media discussion cant really do it justice.
Edit: A nice mechanic of my concept is that the bigger the profit marge of todays bussinesses the more economocly viable it becomes for citizens to try organise the new non profit system without state assistance.
Okay, it’s just slop. I wasted my god damn time, there was no point in arguing with this person. Go develop your own diy special snowflake political alignment, then.
“It would also have huge advantages for a state to dissolve the problem of state debt.”
Have you heard of the Dunning Kruger effect? Well, you’re on the peak of Mt. Stupid and set up camp there. Now your brain is dying from the lack of oxygen.
God forbid someone thinks about things and writes down their ideas. Sorry for sounding a little too exited to share some parts of it when it fits the context. I have a tendency to get passionate about something when i am motivated enough.
I am fine if nobody reads it, doesnt change annything for me. Putting ideas out there just seems like the least i can do. I wish more people did, normalize trying to better society and some day we might move forward and if 0.0000000001% is vaglue inspired by a footnote i wrote 200 years earlier that is a bigger legacy then i could hope for.
And if with slop you mean ai, no, my ideas are way older then that.
but… for the state to not exist that would require the elimination of class, which no socialism has ever been able to achieve immediately. Without a state there would be no way to enforce the abolition of private property, defend your pocket of socialism against your own bourgeoisie or a counterrevolution funded by a foreign imperialist bourgeoisie. I understand that all states commit excesses of violence and oppression and you feel rightly repulsed by that, but to get to a point where abolishing the state is possible, workers have to achieve power over most of the world, and the world is very divided by imperialism.
“Imperfect” state socialism is the only viable option when a revolution only succeeds in a portion of the world and capitalism is still the dominant, world-spanning mode of production.
I do have some ideas on how to get there without the need of a violent revolution.
I have already made somd attempts in the past to write a full book to properly explain myself here but in gist (also i am super tired)
The idea is to create a template for a new analogous economy that views ownership and the concept of money in a completely different way and presents every single data point open to everyone, yet can technically exist to be fully compatible within todays capitalist economy. This analogue system would have its own logic of logistics to manage production and distribution which at first you need to be working within the new system to get acces towards.
I believe my concept has some distinct. advantages that could make it attractive for non profit startups and organisations especially if they network with other organisations making the analogus economy bigger. It would also have huge advantages for a state to dissolve the problem of state debt. And in earnest the easiest path is a state voluntary backing early organisations in this system but its not required. And a state that does would eventually disolve much of its own power by rendering it reasonably useless.
As these decentralized networks grow it will make more and more sense to join the system, eventually replacing the one we have now and render traditional money but a wortless statistic with no more executive power then a statistical debt.
I really hope to write that book someday, a social media discussion cant really do it justice.
Edit: A nice mechanic of my concept is that the bigger the profit marge of todays bussinesses the more economocly viable it becomes for citizens to try organise the new non profit system without state assistance.
“my concept”
Okay, it’s just slop. I wasted my god damn time, there was no point in arguing with this person. Go develop your own diy special snowflake political alignment, then.
“It would also have huge advantages for a state to dissolve the problem of state debt.”
Have you heard of the Dunning Kruger effect? Well, you’re on the peak of Mt. Stupid and set up camp there. Now your brain is dying from the lack of oxygen.
Uhm lol. Who hurt you today?
God forbid someone thinks about things and writes down their ideas. Sorry for sounding a little too exited to share some parts of it when it fits the context. I have a tendency to get passionate about something when i am motivated enough.
I am fine if nobody reads it, doesnt change annything for me. Putting ideas out there just seems like the least i can do. I wish more people did, normalize trying to better society and some day we might move forward and if 0.0000000001% is vaglue inspired by a footnote i wrote 200 years earlier that is a bigger legacy then i could hope for.
And if with slop you mean ai, no, my ideas are way older then that.