• phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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    3 hours ago

    It’s time for some right-of-first-sale legislation that kills off the subscription-for-everything scam.

    1. It should be illegal for a lack of a subscription to prevent operation of something you’ve bought.

    2. Same goes for requiring connectivity.

    3. If the subscription service terminates, reverse-engineering to maintain continuing operations should be protected by law, and the manufacturer should be required to provide the specifications to the public.

    4. DRM to prevent access to subscribable features should be illegal.

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    2 days ago

    Absolutely fucking not. Im not going to lease something that contains my private information ever.

  • njordomir@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I will go without. I will drag a PC and a mobile router everywhere I go before I rent a phone. Can these asshole corporate bullshitters just go to mars already so we can be free of them?

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      2 days ago

      Same, two to three year old phones for 10th the price on eBay as long as it states clean imse has been awsome

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      2 days ago

      That’s definitely also a reason why they’re thinking about this system. If people sell them back their old phones or lease them, the second hand market will suffer immensely.

    • jpreston2005@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      My Samsung S10 has headphone jack and expandable storage 😎 7 year old phone, bought it used for $130

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    2 days ago

    Never do that. You should always fully own and control your communication and computation devices. It’s a matter of privacy.

  • AA5B@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Just like with cars. If you always have to have the latest and greatest, need to be seen with “the best”, replace your phone frequently then yes leasing is cheaper than buying. This would be stupid but people seem to do this

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      2 days ago

      Fast fashion is trashy. But people will do whatever to make the illusion of affluence because that’s how some hope to get into the club.

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    2 days ago

    I only buy hardware which supports installing free/libre operating systems and applications.

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    1 day ago

    I mean lots of mobile providers have been providing phones as part of their subscription model, that has going since the 2000s.

    That is not convenient at all, but some folks don’t want to downplay 1000+$ and they really want an iphone or whatever.

    It seems to me Apple and Samsung want to get their fair share of that (still sucks though cause its all in the “you don’t own anything”)

  • anon_8675309@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Last phone was an iPhone 13. Current is the 17.

    I don’t game so unless something catastrophic happens I don’t see myself needing to get a new phone for a very long time.

    I have no interest running “AI”, either.

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      Same. I upgraded bc my 13 was starting to show signs of age. I would’ve waiting until it catastrophically gained, but with the ai/chip crisis I figured there was no way future iPhones were going to be cheaper, so I got a 17. Looks like I made the right call

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      See what amazon did to older working kindles. Is there a law that phone makers can’t just brick their devices when considered old enough? It doesn’t seem that way. Soon we will all revert back to phones as phones only.

    • Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
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      As former IT, most people seem to go from iphone 12/13 to 17 in the last year. Anecdotally, my wife and I went from S17s to $300 motorolas. My parents take the rotating yearly “upgrade” offer and seem fine with that

  • Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    Dumb coonsomer would get this dumb products and then wait for next new dumb products.

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      3 days ago

      some subscriptions are fine though, like email or a vpn.

      you could argue there should be no need for a vpn but… it is what it is

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        Services as subscriptions: fine. They are ongoing agreements that require an unspecifiable amount of labor, it makes sense to pay as you go.

        Subscription goods? Fuck that. If I am in posession of it and responsible for maintaining it in a specific state of operation and quality, I basically own it anyway.

        Charging me monthly for a pocket-sized computer with the added stipulations that the seller gets to dictate what I’m allowed to do with it, probably installs spyware on it (on top of the OEM and OS spyware), and if I break it (or otherwise violate the terms of use) I have to buy it anyway and they still get to keep it? They’ve basically reinvented a mix of payphones and library PCs, but more invasive and more expensive

        • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          They’ve basically reinvented a mix of payphones and library PCs, but more invasive and more expensive

          No this isn’t even the same thing. Library PC is made available to you for free (paid via taxes). Payphone was a bit a different breast, as they supposed to make phone service available at any place when before we had cellphones, although they were also available for free (you paid for making calls though).

          Over here they want to remove ownership. Instead of owning a house, you rent an apartment, instead of owning a car you pay to use self driving one, instead of owning a movie or music (yes, I know) you pay for streaming service, and now you won’t even own the computer in your pocket.

          Basically they want society where we don’t own anything and only pay subscription fees to live. This push toward that world is called technofeudalism. Only billionaires own things and we are just serfs at their mercy.

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          yeah i just wanna hide my ip from random websites, they don’t need to know my ip

          i couldn’t care less about what vpn providers say, i don’t even know what my vpn provider (proton) “promises”.

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    3 days ago

    The way I read that title: Apple and Samsung stopped innovating, now sales aren’t growing, so it’s time for enshittification.