Hello! If it is not ironic, I get how confusing this is. To enter a federated network, instead of a centralized one (one app, one stop), you have to find an access point. In mastodon, it’s called an instance, or simply a computer on which a server version of the network is installed (You use a client to access a server, and that server is linked to other likewise servers, thus making the federation). To enter the Matrix network or any kind of federated network, you have to sign up to an access point, first. All of this is very confusing for newcomers.
So, like it’s in the works for fluffychat (a Matrix desktop client and phone app), the signing up process must include some form of directory of available access providers open for signing up. In fluffychat, I’ve seen a drop-down menu of available signing up servers ordered by spatial proximity, that looked really neat.
I appreciate you! My family and I made the decision to move off of Discord when they announced their full age verification rollout. We were planning on setting up and hosting our own matrix server, but now I’d like to know more about Element’s poor stewardship of the protocol.
My tech level is literate layperson, not working in tech and without a background in systems administration, networking, or software development. I can understand the larger concepts pretty readily but get lost in the finer details like why data architects would choose one setup over another. I’m content knowing that someone good at this made a reasoned choice without needing them to explain why as long as I still get to laugh at Bastard Operator from Hell stories.
The results I found last night were things like The Register talking about matrix being adopted more and more around the world, including at the government and military levels, a competing service or two telling off Element for bad practices or poor use of the protocol, and Element’s rebuttal (which basically came down to “our configuration doesn’t need to be everybody’s configuration, THAT’S THE POINT” and “it’s a limitation you have, too, do you really want to make this a thing?”). It’s good to be aware of, but it’s not what I’m looking for. All this involves the paid services side; does anybody have any sourced news on the ongoing development of matrix from, say, the past 3-5 years?
Because element has been a terrible steward of the protocol?
Sounds like a reasonable point, guess I’ll look into it!
Edit: Sorry, I’m not tech savvy enough to find my way to any reputable sources. A little help, please?
Hello! If it is not ironic, I get how confusing this is. To enter a federated network, instead of a centralized one (one app, one stop), you have to find an access point. In mastodon, it’s called an instance, or simply a computer on which a server version of the network is installed (You use a client to access a server, and that server is linked to other likewise servers, thus making the federation). To enter the Matrix network or any kind of federated network, you have to sign up to an access point, first. All of this is very confusing for newcomers.
So, like it’s in the works for fluffychat (a Matrix desktop client and phone app), the signing up process must include some form of directory of available access providers open for signing up. In fluffychat, I’ve seen a drop-down menu of available signing up servers ordered by spatial proximity, that looked really neat.
I appreciate you! My family and I made the decision to move off of Discord when they announced their full age verification rollout. We were planning on setting up and hosting our own matrix server, but now I’d like to know more about Element’s poor stewardship of the protocol.
My tech level is literate layperson, not working in tech and without a background in systems administration, networking, or software development. I can understand the larger concepts pretty readily but get lost in the finer details like why data architects would choose one setup over another. I’m content knowing that someone good at this made a reasoned choice without needing them to explain why as long as I still get to laugh at Bastard Operator from Hell stories.
The results I found last night were things like The Register talking about matrix being adopted more and more around the world, including at the government and military levels, a competing service or two telling off Element for bad practices or poor use of the protocol, and Element’s rebuttal (which basically came down to “our configuration doesn’t need to be everybody’s configuration, THAT’S THE POINT” and “it’s a limitation you have, too, do you really want to make this a thing?”). It’s good to be aware of, but it’s not what I’m looking for. All this involves the paid services side; does anybody have any sourced news on the ongoing development of matrix from, say, the past 3-5 years?
I dunno if this could help, but this article is making me want to choose XMPP over Matrix. https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/
They were asking how Matrix is a “terrible steward of the protocol”. Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see how your comment answers that.
As far as I’m aware they don’t have a great security track record: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/
This is really useful, thanks!
Do you have better app/network references to look into?
No, but I too am curious how Matrix is a bad steward of the protocol. I was hoping you would know if I pointed out their actual question.
Edit: Someone else answered with:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/24415762
Maybe you’d like this: https://github.com/commetchat
Can you elaborate for those of us who are uninformed?
Element is hell bent on being a WhatsApp alternative and refuses to make “concessions” to be more like discord.
Have you checked out https://commet.chat/ ? It’s supposed being the discord UI stuff for Matrix