• lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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    2 days ago

    Then we’re back to just send the whole request and I’ll get to it when I get to it. “Hi” is worthless in every scenario.

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      The objectively correct from a selfish perspective here, is to send “ping” and only type out the whole request if you respond. Yeah, it will make you wait, but it will save me time and mental effort at typing all that, knowing that it’s all for nothing if you will not respond in time.
      The correct answer here is to do “Hi, need to talk to you about [thing], are you available right now?”, but it’s technically speaking only one step above this hateful “Hi”

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        2 days ago

        The objectively correct way is to send all the detail you have about the request so that the person fulfilling it has to ask as few follow-up questions as possible. This is the most time efficient way for everyone. If that person is unavailable then you either wait for them or copy paste to the next person. Being selfish doesn’t make sense when you’re the one that needs them to do something for you. If someone starts a communication with me with “ping” I’m not responding to that ever, if they follow up with what they want they’ll still be at the bottom of my list. That shit is disrespectful as fuck.

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          2 days ago

          If you look at it from other perspective, typing the whole paragraph of details just to be ghosted can also feel disrespectful as fuck, while “Hi, can you talk right now?” is actually pretty normal.
          There is no easy and universal answer, it’s all depends on context and the situation, just like anything else in human communication.

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            2 days ago

            Spending 30 seconds to type out what you want is hardly a big ask. If typing is a struggle for you then go take a typing course and catch up to everyone else in this century. I don’t want a vague “can you talk right now?”. I can’t answer that question accurately when I’m in the middle of juggling multiple different things pretty much all day long. I need to know what the context is and how much time it is likely to take to make sure it’s not going to derail the other shit I have going on. As the person who is demanding attention from someone else you should be doing everything in your power to minimize the inconvenience to them.

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              Yeah, well, in which case reading five words is even less of a task, and if it’s a struggle for you go finish fifth grade.
              Everyone is entitled to their own time, you’re not the center of the universe. Right now you’re way past a normal consideration, you’re demanding that everyone sacrifices all the convenience however small, so you don’t have to sacrifice any.
              If you’re busy af, you can respond “busy right now, sorry”, we just discovered that typing takes no time so it’s OK. If you’re busy but not that busy, and someone asks do you have some time, you can always answer “depends, what’s the question?”, which also takes no time from you, so it’s OK once again.
              That’s the whole thing about two-way communication, it’s actually as flexible as people are, which is just great if you’re one of those peoples. Personally, I chose to be maximally considerate, and I always type as much as possible so there is as little mental effort required on the other side of the conversation. But that’s because I’m a no-life shmuck, and I (maybe actually in big part because of that) doesn’t actually value my time and it’s not worth much. If I had any self-respect, I would be way more pushy about my time, and there would be times where I start conversation with “hi, can you talk right now?” instead of two paragraphs of formatted text

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                2 days ago

                The requestee in this scenario holds all the cards. They don’t owe the requester any consideration. Regardless it’s not unreasonable to expect you to your fucking ducks in a row before you bother people. You’re going to have to provide the information anyway.

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                  They don’t owe the requester any consideration.

                  That’s not true, but would be bad if it was. Communication always should be two-way considerate, otherwise we will quickly descend to hell.

                  Regardless it’s not unreasonable to expect you to your fucking ducks in a row before you bother people.

                  It’s also not unreasonable to expect that you’ll be able to quickly answer if you’re open to communication.

                  You’re going to have to provide the information anyway.

                  Or don’t if it’s time sensitive and you’re not answering. Context, nuances, remember?