• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    23 hours ago

    This stands out even more because we’re in an era when even countries with Universal Healthcare have been walking back on it (as well as Social Security, Unions and other earlier Leftwing conquests) by privatizing them piecemeal through things like forced outsourcing of some services and public-private initiatives.

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      21 hours ago

      Yes it’s what’s happening here in Canada and it’s sickening. But it looks like it’s better to blame the left for no reason, so why vote for them? Better keep slowly dismantling everything we collectively built instead!

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        18 hours ago

        I first saw that shit when I lived in Britain a decade ago, already at the hands of he who Thatcher called her “Greatest Achievement” (Tony Blair, who pivoted the Labour Party hard to the Right and away from a party representing the working class) and later directly at the hands of the Tories (Conservative Party).

        Now that I’m back in my native Portugal (which also has a National Health service), the current rightwing government here is trying to do the same thing, tough not quite yet at the same point as NHS sneaky privatization was in Britain over a decade ago.

        By the way, Mark Carney, now PM of Canada, was placed by and served as head of the Bank Of England for the Tories back when I was there, during which he was a great friend of bankers and presided over an economic period when in real terms the income of the lower 90% by wealth of the population was falling at about 1% per year, whilst that of the top 10% was growing at around 23%.

        So, yeah, it does not surprise me at all, in any way form or shape, that Carney is working to make the fatcats fatter - same as he did in Britain - not for the good of most Canadians.

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          14 hours ago

          Weird, it’s almost like there’s a global class war going on where only one side is organized and doing the fighting. Also, that a big part of their campaign is to infiltrate any remotely left leaning political party to sabotage it from within. But that’s crazy. I mean, if there were going to do something like that they’d also be constantly sowing conflict between left-learning centrists and leftists which only ever happens every single day on every single media and social media platform.

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            13 hours ago

            It’s my impression that it’s mainly the “center”-left parties (aka the larger one) which got infiltrated, especially in countries with power duopolies thanks to Mathematically rigged voting systems like First Past The Post.

            If you think about it, it makes total sense that Greedy Posh Salesmen-types with no principles whatsoever who want to get rick quick would be drawn to the two parties in power duopoly systems, were they will sell themselves to those who can reward them the best for their services, and those people certainly aren’t the Poor or the Working Class.

            I’ve concluded some years ago that the secret for Democracy to actually do what it says on the tin is constant change (the very opposite of those voting systems mathematically rigged for “stability”) - rotten politicians must genuinely fear that if they sell themselves, they WILL end up out of power and the next ones in aren’t going to be just “mates with a different pin on their lapel” so they are more likely than not to end up in jail for it.

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      22 hours ago

      What’s important to note is that these placed aren’t going back on it because it doesn’t work. They are going back on it because of back room deals made with corporate insurance lobbyists and their bought politicians. Profit is always the driving force for privatization.

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        21 hours ago

        Exactly.

        You can just look at the experience of creating the National Health Service in the UK (there’s a bunch of documentaries floating around) to see how it’s an overall positive for Society by a large margin, not just directly but also indirectly because for example when people can go see a doctor for free they are far more likely to end up being treated for sickness early on (which its cheaper and easier) or to get treatment for debilitating but not life threatening conditions which in turn even gets reflected in higher Economic outcomes because healthier people are more productive.

        Universal Healthcare Systems only “don’t work” for those who are fatcats getting a slice of that sweet sweet 13%+ of national GDP (about 18% in the US) that goes into Healthcare in the average country.

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      16 hours ago

      There are big differences then. Where I live, we just got dental included in free healthcare, which is getting rolled out to more and more people in the next 10 years, where in the end everyone is included.

      We already had free until age of 24 I think, but now they will go all the way. It’s in Denmark btw.