ooof then yeah, she’s being pressured into being eye candy for the managers, disgusting

And yep, the only people that care about such things are the wrong people. I had a lawyer show up to an online meeting with me with like a white t-shirt or something super casual like that, he apologized, I couldn’t have cared less because either way he’s super polite and I’m there to get his knowledge and not have him look good for me.

I didn’t intend to come across dismissive or hostile, and I agree with you on the rest of what you’re saying. If it was my language that’s just how I express myself, truly, as I have strong feelings about this, it is something that has been beaten into me since the moment I started to have opinions about how I dress myself because me choosing the options that men have is too much to ask of society. Also, regardless of what your intentions were that comparison felt a bit out of touch. I think a much better example on how patriarchy affects men negatively is the social isolation and the “men don’t cry”. But saying that being forced into pants because it’s hot when I’m talking about being forced into being eye candy since we’re little girls and literally screwing up our bone structures is not a fair comparison and totally missing the point. As if I said that a slap on the face hurts as much as being kicked in the balls.

Yeah, you still cannot compare “I’m a bit hot in these pants” to “you need to be eye candy and pretend you aren’t bothered by men oogling at you while you’re forced to treat them nicely” or “fuck your spine and feet bone structure so you look nice for men” though. (Those high heels not only mess up your feet, they also mess up your spine) I took the “I’m a bit hot in 35C degree weather and the school keeps taking me out of classes to tell me I’m ruining my future” as a 10 year old kid over using a skirt every day. I believe grown men can deal with wearing pants that they can still choose the cloth of.

But yes, patriarchy definitely affects men too, neither of us have any need to be dealing with this nonsense. Feminism is not just for women’s rights.

yeah… “a lot of pressure” translates to “you don’t get hired” if it’s clear you’ll refuse or make a fuss about it or “they make your job painful every day” if you’re already hired and refuse. It depends on the industry and company but it’s pretty standard in most customer facing jobs. It was much worse 20 years ago than it is today

They’re just one more way to control women.

There could be a whole dissertation written about this and I’m not gonna go there in a Lemmy Shitpost comment section. But I will say: “Women choose to wear them” - yes, and society has forced us in many ways by making it part of uniforms and being drilled into us since we’re little kids that we need to conform if we want to succeed. I say ‘we’ because I’m a woman but I have never worn shoes like that and I never will, it has caused me issues to reject such standards. I’m lucky I chose a career where I’ve always been allowed to wear pants and sneakers instead of skirts and heels. When I was in primary school I would constantly get kicked out of class and sent to the principal’s office because I chose to wear the uniform’s winter pants during summer instead of skirts, couldn’t wear the boy’s shorts. Because me following the rules but refusing to wear a skirt was more important than me getting an education. “What will you do when you get a job?”, “nobody will want to hire you with that attitude”… Men don’t realize how much women’s bodies are controlled from the moment we’re born. It’s gotten better in the last years but shit like that still happens more than yall realize.

ha… I’m vegan, me sitting at a table to eat is enough for people to feel the need to defend themselves and their choices without me saying anything other than kindly answering their questions from a conversation they start. It forces one to train the skill of not engaging with people like that.

Also he’s the one that started it with the (likely bad-taste) joke, not you, but good on you for taking one just to end it. Some people just can’t deal with their cognitive dissonance because it would mean facing their actions not matching with their idealized version of themselves, you can’t have reasonable conversations with them.

Nothing, having arguments with people that lack basic critical thinking skills is a waste of time. A simple google search can give you all the data and numbers and you can show it to them but it doesn’t matter if they believe they know better than actual scientists. There are people out there that believe the Earth is flat.

I tried Librewolf but found the restrictions for my own privacy too annoying as it constantly broke stuff and gave me extra work so I went back to Firefox and customized the privacy settings. I know I could’ve done that with Librewolf too but I found it more annoying to work with unfortunately x_x And I have Ungoogled Chrome as my backup