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Hype up AI.
Everyone starts scraping the internet to obtain training data for their AI.
To block the scrapers, countless sites implement stricter bot detection tools.
The owners of the bot detection tools now effectively hold all of the internet by its throat, deciding who can access what and extorting more and more data from you to verify you’re human.
Fucking genius.
the next link down on the search results
Assuming we’ll have that at all or just AI summaries replacing the results.
Are people already getting these AI-only, blue-link-less Google results? Mine are still normal.
So you’re saying the emails are dated incorrectly or fake?
No? What does that even mean? How are those things comparable?
Are you even trying to explain these events?
but you do have to explain how /pol was started on 4chan a day before m00t met Epstein
I don’t have to, because that’s a whole other story that I didn’t dispute. In fact, perhaps you should explain why you would logically connect these two events in the first place. If Epstein caused/convinced moot to create the board, wouldn’t have these two events happened in the opposite order? What do you think was the actual sequence of events?
more promoted, and took it under his belt
It should be admitted that this is only conjecture for now.
So you can’t make the case that 4chan wasn’t influential.
That’s ok, because I never even suggested I’d make it. In fact, 4chan may have been the most culturally and politically influential website relative to the size of its userbase.
As for what I am dead certain happened: 4chan had a large proportion of racist and fascist users before 2011. These mainly congregated on the board /n/ (“News”). Due to the board becoming a hotbed of racism, moot deleted it. The users were pissed off. A few months later, /pol/ was created as a replacement to contain the racist users (one of the rules on 4chan said that racism outside of /pol/ is forbidden; from personal experience I can say this wasn’t enforced too strictly, but it reflects the original intenet). At that time moot met with Epstein. Later on, the fascist board culture was in harmony with the discourse espoused by Trump, and was likely one of the key origin points for pro-Trump cultural discourse. In 2017, the persona “Qanon” started to post on /pol/, and then migrated to 8chan where many Trump supporters followed. According to Frederick Brennan, the founder of 8chan (and recently deceased), the person behind Qanon was Jim Watkins, who had taken over 8chan from Brennan, although I don’t know how solid the evidence for that is, there have been other theories. Also bunch of other stuff happened on 4chan and 8chan, Gamergate, moot retiring, the takedown of 8chan after the Christchurch massacre and subsequent decline of Qanon…
It’s difficult to connect this all into a neat unified story. Slapping an “it was Epstein” does not actually make sense of most of it. Even if the Epstein-moot meeting wasn’t accidental or inconsequential, what could’ve actually happened, what would’ve been Epstein’s involvement, why do we have no further evidence of it in the emails, and how was it different from the existing fascist board just keeping up being fascist?
Have you read the relevant emails yourself, and do you at least vaguely remember their content?
Anyway, the contacts between Poole and Epstein have been covered in media quite a lot and I’ve read articles about it, as well as checked some of the documents myself. None of what I’ve previously read and what shows up on google now supports the claim that “4chan was Epstein’s creation”. Epstein met with Poole in 2011, that’s the currently widely confirmed information, and I hope I don’t have to write an essay explaining why that’s not proof that “4chan was Epstein’s creation”.
Can you point me to something more specific than a bunch of disjointed and duplicate emails? The database is really difficult to navigate.
4chan was also an Epstein creation.
These claims of 4chan-Epstein connections are becoming more and more ridiculous. No, 4chan was not an Epstein creation.
Funny how I never see this statement posted on /c/memes@lemmy.ml
Better chances to vote it away than shitpost it away, as far as Lemmy’s options go.
It’s from the Futurist Manifesto, I think
I kind of doubt that even when it comes to English, and for smaller languages i’m sure that there’s still no serious competition to Google.