Just gonna swing by and drop this little grenade:

If you believe “race doesn’t exist”, then this post also applies to you. If you can refer to different genders while also understanding that at the individual level definitions are fluid and blurry, then you can refer to different races while also understanding that at the individual level definitions are fluid and blurry.

Fair enough, I guess we just have wildly different personal experiences. Maybe mine is the abnormal one.

Any woman who gives me a wide berth because I think misandry is unacceptable, is doing both of us a favor. I don’t want to associate with people like that.

I don’t know what to tell you, I’ve never seen or heard of guys talking about that stuff outside of a few isolated incidents. (except college, which is its own fucked up thing)

Maybe you live in a very conservative, misogynistic area. But even when I lived in the deep south, that kind of talk was rare.

Like I think some girls think there’s this whole hidden world of guy talk as soon as women aren’t around to hear. That doesn’t happen.

It’s perfectly logical to be more afraid of the thing you’ve actually been hurt by.

No, it’s not. That’s ridiculous. It’s completely illogical.

It’s highly emotional, however, to be butthurt that someone else has a reaction that ultimately doesn’t affect you in any material way.

So Black people aren’t allowed to get mad about racism? Or they are only allowed to be mad when it personally affects them?

Choosing to be with a bear rather than a man is blatant misandry. That’s beyond wariness.

How about instead of saying I should have spoken up about a man groping me, you say, “he shouldn’t have groped you.”

How about both? It’s infantilizing for you to suggest I don’t understand a basic principle like “assault is bad”. Of course he shouldn’t have groped you. That was bad. That’s just a baseline, floor-level understanding that we should both agree on.

If you guys would start doing your part to police one another

Well, for one thing, we don’t know which guys are doing this. Even if, as you suggest, the burden should fall solely on men to stop other men (a bit of a problematic viewpoint in itself), we can’t stop it if we don’t know it’s happening. Guys don’t brag to each other about sexual assault. We just don’t talk about sex in general. “Locker room talk” is and always has been a myth. Women talk with each other. Men don’t.

We cannot read your mind and know that any particular guy has done anything bad to you. You have to say something. And if you don’t, the only other option is for everyone to constantly be asking every woman if they’re being assaulted. Like that old Verizon commercial: “are you being assaulted now? Are you being assaulted now?” which is just toxic and awful and paranoid and massively damaging to everyone’s mental health.

I can 100% understand just not wanting to deal with it. Running away and then never speaking about it, and avoiding that guy for the rest of your life is much easier than opening a can of worms.

But if you do that, you have to take responsibility for doing that. Don’t pretend “not my problem, Men should be fixing everything”.

Hatred of the opposite sex merely for existing is gross.

They’re identical ideologies, in your analogy the only difference is that one has a gun and the other doesn’t. Both are happy to shoot, one just doesn’t have to power to.

Both are disgusting and I want no part of either.

Yeah. Misandry, misogyny. Both are disgusting.

It’s sad how many women respond to it though.

Female Andrew Tates. Just gross.

This is not the good thing you think it is. Women shouldn’t be hyper-alert about all men, and should use words when being made uncomfortable (or literally sexually assaulted).

If I see a woman go pale and then leave a party, I will assume “oof, must have really had to poop”. I refuse to assume every facial tick on a woman is a sign of sexual assault. That’s a toxic, paranoid way to live.

K

To be fair the UK is farther along the dystopian nightmare surveillance state path than the US.