Would be the case if they were able to read/understand.

They seem to just be stubborn and dumb.

I was referring to MLK’s thoughts on white moderates’ tendency to hijack/coopt civil rights activism and neuter it, not to anything he might have said about open borders (which he opposed afaik).

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

Truth bomb tbh

People will stop calling you a racist when you stop acting like one by repeating racist talking points. It’s in your hands.

We have the means to feed everyone on the planet. We decided not to. You are this close to understanding imperialism and capitalism, but I’m afraid that from what we’ve witnessed so far, you don’t have the ability to work both of your neurons hard enough to understand it.

Ellis Island opens in 1892, over a century after the USA were created. There were no federal immigration controls before that. States handled arrivals loosely, if it all. Most migrants simply got off their boat and stayed.

During its first decades, Ellis Island was not a modern border control but rather a filter for contagious disease and extreme incapacity (eg. they didn’t want sick or handicapped people, only able bodied workers). Admission rate was 98%, it was triage motivated by stopping the recurring pandemics in the dense urban environment of NYC.

US border control starts in 1921-1924 with the quota acts, although you could arguably say the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act is the real birth of it (that act did not come with the means to enforce it though).

Aristide Zolberg’s “A Nation by Design” goes through all of this. Read it and educate yourself instead of making a fool of yourself on the Internet. I must once again insist that you stop discussing history online. You will get clowned for it.

You don’t have to reply twice to the same comment.

You already made it clear that you do not understand the difference between military and civilian structures, and have a negative understanding of political history. Don’t need to clarify, we all saw it and understood.

That fetish of yours for public humiliation is not my kink, sorry. You’ll have to find someone else to continue the roleplay with.

The Great Wall and Hadrian’s Wall both served the same purposes:

• Deterring raids and armed incursions, a purely military role
• Marking the end of military control (eg. on the other side of this line you’re on your own)
• Signaling than anything within those walls would be subject to taxation (the price of military protection)
• Enabling signaling (chains of beacons/towers to warn in case of military invasions)

They were not designed to stop individual peasants or merchants. Those walls all had gates to let them in and out. In Frontiers of the Roman Empire, CR Whittaker goes through archaeological records to better understand Hadrian’s Wall and its role, and did not find any form of deterrence against migrants or any historical record showing any individual border control.

I am being condescending because you are being stubborn. I see no reason to be nice when you are speaking confidently about a topic you very clearly know nothing about, which happens to be one of my fields of expertise. You’d probably do the same if you were in my shoes, it is very frustrating to see misinformation spread on something you have academic knowledge of. If you are unwilling to learn and want to cling to your modern preconceptions of what a border is, then I must ask you to get the fuck out off radical leftist spaces and stop spreading your racist propaganda. You will never be welcome there as long as you hold those views.

You’re talking about power and territory, not borders.

Roman, persian, egyptian frontiers were zones of influence, not fixed borders. Some of their frontiers contained fortifications ( like the Roman limes), but they were aimed at stopping armies of invaders, not individual migrants. A peasant or merchant could move across countries without having to go through border control or anything resembling a border. They were not able to join the local ruling class in most cases, due to being an outsider, but were still welcomed for their labor or money in the territory they had entered.

Ages ago, for some political history courses, I had to read CR Whittaker’s book called “Frontiers of the Roman Empire”. As the title implies it touches on this very topic. I wouldn’t recommend reading it, it’s quite dull. Anyway, one of the first things it touches on is that trying to understand history requires shedding modern concepts. Borders are the first one he asks the reader to shed.

Once again, you have a very poor understanding of geopolitical history. I don’t think you should be talking so confidently about a topic you are completely out of your depth in. It makes you look like a dunce.

Borders are a recent enough invention that two of my grandparents migrated before passports were a requirement when they were young newlyweds (showing my age lol). They traveled from Austria-Hungary to France though Germany, it was a normal migrant journey, you were casually welcomed and given citizenship by your new country as long as you had money to spend and/or could provide labor. Another one of my grandparents was a vagabond (vagrant) who just walked from place to place, changed countries often, he stopped when most countries adopted anti-vagrancy laws. This happened a century ago. It’s recent history.

WWI, colonialism, and the rise of nationalism and fascism in early XXth century europe are what caused borders to become strictly enforced. You have a very poor understanding of geopolitical history, and likely have been brainwashed by modern heinous discourses on immigration, like too many people sadly.

You’re talking shit about people who have been fighting fascism on the streets for years if not decades and asking how they benefit the fight that you just joined once it started targeting people like you.

White moderates always asking “but what about me and my immediate priorities?” when people want to continue their long ongoing fight for minority rights, the instant they feel threatened by the same fascist state that had been targeting minorities for decades.

Every time without fail.

MLK was right.

That’s adorable, don’t worry about it though, these days if you do some art you have to learn to record the entire process of producing some of your pieces otherwise someone will always eventually think your work is AI generated… it’s just part of life now, you sadly get used to it. AIvestigators need to take a moment to wonder “but from who did the AIs learn to draw?”.

For me it’s a smaller issue since a lot of my pieces are just silly stickmen, the only time it got really frustrating was when I had to prove to several board game editors I didn’t use an AI to generate the art on a card game I illustrated in a very personal style…

Have a beautiful weekend!

Best redemption arc of 2026

Along with a few recordings of my drawings since these days some people see AI in everything.

Here’s one in a similar style.

The country of the trail of tears, states rights to slavery, Jim Crow laws, japanese internment camps, the red scare, peak imperialism, robber barons, etc. isn’t changing into anything. It’s just being its true self.

With the way the fight is shaping up, the outcome will not be positive.

Maybe the abolish ICE movement will manage to stop them from shooting white people (which would be a small win tbh), but they don’t seem to have the teeth required to turn it into a proper radical movement that will attack the core issues and cure the USA from its rot. There’s no organization, no clear end goal, no leadership, it’ll end up being coopted by Gavin Newsom or some other soft centrist and turned into a propaganda movement for liberals in the 2026 primaries and 2028 election.

I’m afraid a real movement that provides actual systemic change in the USA and breaks the cycle can only come from minorities, from people who have nothing left to lose and won’t accept halfway concessions. Insert here the quote from MLK about the white liberal being a bigger enemy to minorities in the US than the KKK. If they cared, they’d have primary’d Biden out in favor of a progressive in 2024, since the ICE death camps continued killing people under his presidency.

It’s the continuation of a centuries long cycle.

The USA, being the most imperialist country, also becomes the most ruthless on its own population when the imperialism is turned inwards.

Imperial boomerang on steroids.

Shh we don’t say that part out loud and encourage them to actually do something for once.

10 years of doing nothing followed by “we always cared” is the usual fare.

A piece of commentary on the reception by Lemmy users of this - admittedly very provocative - comic.

Goode and Pretti were both shot while protesting migrants being sent to concentration camps where thousands of real humans have “disappeared” from the system.

It is not a defensive movement trying to stop ICE from shooting protesters, it’s a radical movement about dismantling ICE, stopping the violence on migrants, and rescuing the locked up and missing people.

Don’t let it get derailed by toothless people, else they will stop once the first goal is accomplished and leave the rest of the actual fight hanging. As they always do.