The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren’t necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days (“surge” because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):
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paramazo/systemd “The systemd System and Service Manager without age verification”
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ganitam/systemd “Systemd fork just before the Age Verification addition. Hoping more capable developers and maintainers do same…”
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GSYT-Productions/systemd-fork “The systemd System and Service Manager, without the stupid Age Verification”
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speedythesnail/unret arded-systemd “The systemd System and Service Manager, without the ret arded age-verification commits”
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ta13579/systemd “The systemd System and Service Manager WITHOUT THE FUCKING AGE CHECKS”
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r4shsec/systemd-no-age-verification “This is systemd but without the age verification made via pull request https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40978”
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Pingasmaster/fightthesystemd “Systemd without the nonsense: no age verification, no lighthouse built-in.”
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Jeffrey-Sardina/system “Liberated systemd – no surveillance. Ever.”
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HaplessIdiot/systemd-saneagecheck “The systemd System and Service Manager with age verification bypass and polling rate options for said feature”
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Queer-Coded-LGBTQ/systemd-fuck-california “The systemd System and Service Manager, but without age bs added in.”
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Codiak540/unshitted-systemd “A fork of systemd aiming to strip the Age verification. Sue me california.”
Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.
I don’t like age verification either but that feature is optional and it’s up to the OS distributor to use it or not. Picking a distribution that doesn’t use it is easier than building your own distribution with a systemd fork.
Optional as far as systemd is concerned, perhaps, but it’s designed to support a whole suite of software which will expect it to be used.
They’re also making dubious decisions about how it will be done, such as how they’ll handle the fact that date of birth is PII and something advertisers will be delighted to know. The laws they’re trying to support require very limited information, but they’re storing far more than that and they’ve actively decided not to protect it properly.
However optional it may be, they’re effectively defining the standard for what will be stored and how it will be accessed by all of the software which will use it
I will simply not store any data there. There is no need to resort to building my own distribution with a systemd fork, just as I don’t use this week´s Firefox fork because the shitty features of Firefox can be disabled with 1 click.
Using barely maintained forks because of optional features is a security risk.
per shitty feature.
There are a lot of those features in firefox. Currently takes me over an hour to try to stop Firefox being a dick, if/whenever I install it. May as well just use LibreWolf, or some other browser or fork.
Same it systemd and any distro that has it as default. May as well just spare yourself a lot of bother, and just use something that has already removed the malicious “features”.
All systemd is storing is the DOB in YYYY-MM-DD format.
Which is more than the law requires. What they’re supposed to report is an age bracket. You don’t need to store someone’s precise date of birth, and you certainly don’t need to make it available to other software, to report a broad age bracket
In California they require date of birth IIRC but some other state requires an age bracket. From a technical standpoint asking for an age bracket is removed. It requires maintenance and also actions from the user. How will the system know when you become an adult? Should I keep nagging you every year asking if you are now over 18? Give it a date of birth and it’s set and forget.
That said, I don’t like where we are headed with surveillance of citizens and I think it would be a lot better to handle date of birth on the websites you use rather than your whole operating system. It’s Metas responsibility to make sure their users are not underage. It’s not our responsibility.
I suppose people are afraid that this is just the step one of a series of incremental changes that will make systemd more surveillance friendly. Regarding changing distros, starting a fork and doing couple fixes is not the same thing as maintaining it and being vetted by the community. So I would too change distro to a non systemd one, although options might be quite limited.
Just use the regular, non-California edition of your regular distribution instead of jumping through hoops for a feature that doesn’t affect almost the entire planet anyway.
That was a comment in the case this feature evolves into many apps requiring the age verification via this info. In that case I would like to part ways with any OS using systemd as a means of protest.
California, New York, Texas, Brazil, the UK, I think at least 2 more states as well…this is only the beginning. Everybody is jumping on the surveillance state/data broker hype train.
My question is when will governments attempt to pass stupid and impossible laws like requiring ISPs to verify your age before you can connect to the internet.
Yep.
We are in a lot of trouble.
Worsened by all those trying to normalise dismissiveness to the danger.
[Edit: PS… Germany recently mandated ODF (Open Document Format), to prevent the user-lock-in abuse of proprietary formats, and are pushing for more “Open Source”… so there’s at least still some sense in the world. It’s not all doom yet.]
People were already mad about systemd in general. This just gave them more ammunition.
Helps pedos find your children, is almost lost in the crowd of many reasons to dislike systemd and what it’s doing.