So if I’m the wrong skin color and have past relatives who didn’t do anything that made a change, I can’t participate in doing something now? If we could find a movement that had all the morality of the progressives while having the right’s trait to let anyone join who agrees with the cause, we might have something that works. It seems to be a leftist thing to gatekeep anyone who tries to help.
It’s the culture that wasn’t reformed, not the skin colour, friend. It’s the background attitude, the baseline amorality, the tolerance of violence as long as it doesn’t directly affect me, etc. The fact you went straight into skin colour shows your misunderstanding. And no, of course you can, and I’m glad you are, but all of this wouldn’t have gotten this bad if the American white folks had had sympathy for those that have been abused since the days of the colonies, and it might just take some white on white violence (another tragedy, ofc) to make people care and that’s just the reality of things. You might not like it but the facts are pretty clear.
I mentioned color because of your phrasing, which would lead to that conclusion. It’s pretty obvious. And it’s not like I even disagree with the points you make, it’s just how you made them. Don’t blame the reader/listener when you use euphemisms you didn’t intend to imply. Say what you mean.
Your previous statement was also a bit on the side of poisoning the well, so no matter what anyone says now, they’ve already been invalidated as being part of change. Attacking people who may be breaking from ignorance or finally pushed too far as part of the problem is dividing any potential resistance, and that’s exactly what the powers that be want us to do: fight amongst ourselves.
American history is dark. As I’ve gotten older I’ve learned more and more of things that were simply not talked about, or worse, covered up. That doesn’t mean most Americans are guilty of these crimes, or can’t try to improve things. But it won’t get better if there’s so much infighting because of the past that most of us weren’t even part of. “Sins of the father” is such a crock of shit.
You say Well. I would but they mostly disappear like I’m some Stranger to expel ain’t real thru fear. Cuz that ain’t real even if you’re delirious enough to just end up knot being the same. Oh but that returing Martian baby did it. Fly Burger Mic.
Fa epalm
I mean, when was the last time Prickard sang with tab in his hand??
You misunderstood. It’s not “sins of the father” or “white people are evil because it’s in their DNA”, it’s “the current generation who either fervently supported racially divided violence/tolerated it to a great degree until it was their turn to suffer it were raised by the previous ones who did the same”, so why are we surprised that, besides the few lefties with a heart, white America for the most part had continued disregarding things like police brutality up until the victim shared their skin colour? Now, why haven’t white Americans gone through a complete ideological change after all the sins the country has accumulated? Idk. But what I do know is that it’s that attitude, that intellectual laziness and amoral selfcenteredness that’s at the core of white American ideology (whatever that is besides “might makes right”) that stopped them from being more active through the years, and now it seems like it’s too late. It’s just a very visible thing and I’m not attacking anyone, especially not people who are just opening their eyes. I’m happy every time anyone stops being a racist, amoral POS who condones evil as long as it doesn’t touch them, of course!
I really think class warfare is far stronger than any racial divide. And that’s exactly why there isn’t much momentum from any group, white, black, whatever. They’ve pinned us down for so long ensuring that any individual efforts can be punished. Now… how do you get a unified effort so they can’t lock individuals down? That is the question to be answered. General strike? Not if it’s some lame Friday and then back to normal. It’s got to be a shutdown that’s felt by the ones who are the problem, and it has to be outlasted long enough to matter. Can that be done by people living paycheck to paycheck, or by those already missing many weeks of food stamps? The rich hope not.
So sure, there’s the inequality of black vs. white. But it’s far deeper and planned than that, and this kind of arguing is what they want instead of a shared effort.
The racial divide is an aspect of class warfare though. Specifically in the US, so much of White America was willing to throw away/undermine the welfare and public services that they barely had for a generation just because black and brown people would get access to it too. It’s wrong to just skip over that and demand solidarity.
Personally, I think we can embrace people who are late to the game, while also holding space for people who are frustrated that it seems to take a tragedy to activate some members of the populace
So if I’m the wrong skin color and have past relatives who didn’t do anything that made a change, I can’t participate in doing something now? If we could find a movement that had all the morality of the progressives while having the right’s trait to let anyone join who agrees with the cause, we might have something that works. It seems to be a leftist thing to gatekeep anyone who tries to help.
It’s the culture that wasn’t reformed, not the skin colour, friend. It’s the background attitude, the baseline amorality, the tolerance of violence as long as it doesn’t directly affect me, etc. The fact you went straight into skin colour shows your misunderstanding. And no, of course you can, and I’m glad you are, but all of this wouldn’t have gotten this bad if the American white folks had had sympathy for those that have been abused since the days of the colonies, and it might just take some white on white violence (another tragedy, ofc) to make people care and that’s just the reality of things. You might not like it but the facts are pretty clear.
I mentioned color because of your phrasing, which would lead to that conclusion. It’s pretty obvious. And it’s not like I even disagree with the points you make, it’s just how you made them. Don’t blame the reader/listener when you use euphemisms you didn’t intend to imply. Say what you mean.
Your previous statement was also a bit on the side of poisoning the well, so no matter what anyone says now, they’ve already been invalidated as being part of change. Attacking people who may be breaking from ignorance or finally pushed too far as part of the problem is dividing any potential resistance, and that’s exactly what the powers that be want us to do: fight amongst ourselves.
American history is dark. As I’ve gotten older I’ve learned more and more of things that were simply not talked about, or worse, covered up. That doesn’t mean most Americans are guilty of these crimes, or can’t try to improve things. But it won’t get better if there’s so much infighting because of the past that most of us weren’t even part of. “Sins of the father” is such a crock of shit.
You say Well. I would but they mostly disappear like I’m some Stranger to expel ain’t real thru fear. Cuz that ain’t real even if you’re delirious enough to just end up knot being the same. Oh but that returing Martian baby did it. Fly Burger Mic.
Fa epalm
I mean, when was the last time Prickard sang with tab in his hand??
You misunderstood. It’s not “sins of the father” or “white people are evil because it’s in their DNA”, it’s “the current generation who either fervently supported racially divided violence/tolerated it to a great degree until it was their turn to suffer it were raised by the previous ones who did the same”, so why are we surprised that, besides the few lefties with a heart, white America for the most part had continued disregarding things like police brutality up until the victim shared their skin colour? Now, why haven’t white Americans gone through a complete ideological change after all the sins the country has accumulated? Idk. But what I do know is that it’s that attitude, that intellectual laziness and amoral selfcenteredness that’s at the core of white American ideology (whatever that is besides “might makes right”) that stopped them from being more active through the years, and now it seems like it’s too late. It’s just a very visible thing and I’m not attacking anyone, especially not people who are just opening their eyes. I’m happy every time anyone stops being a racist, amoral POS who condones evil as long as it doesn’t touch them, of course!
I really think class warfare is far stronger than any racial divide. And that’s exactly why there isn’t much momentum from any group, white, black, whatever. They’ve pinned us down for so long ensuring that any individual efforts can be punished. Now… how do you get a unified effort so they can’t lock individuals down? That is the question to be answered. General strike? Not if it’s some lame Friday and then back to normal. It’s got to be a shutdown that’s felt by the ones who are the problem, and it has to be outlasted long enough to matter. Can that be done by people living paycheck to paycheck, or by those already missing many weeks of food stamps? The rich hope not.
So sure, there’s the inequality of black vs. white. But it’s far deeper and planned than that, and this kind of arguing is what they want instead of a shared effort.
The racial divide is an aspect of class warfare though. Specifically in the US, so much of White America was willing to throw away/undermine the welfare and public services that they barely had for a generation just because black and brown people would get access to it too. It’s wrong to just skip over that and demand solidarity.
Personally, I think we can embrace people who are late to the game, while also holding space for people who are frustrated that it seems to take a tragedy to activate some members of the populace