Damn right. And the Nixos community forums are full of people unwilling to accept this. They will gaslight you into thinking you’re the problem. “Just do this”, as I’d it’s completely obvious and you’re dumb for not realising that. Of course if they find out you have some ideological incompatibility with them, you’re out anyway.
NIXOS really needs a fork. One that embraces or rejects flakes outright. One that stops inviting ideological battles. And one that embraces documentation.
That’s impossible IMHO. Nix is fundamentally about doing things “the right way”, and so there will always be disagreements about what “the right way” is. I think they are bound to be eventually settled on the best possible answer, you don’t need a fork for that.
I mean, you don’t really need a fork for that. Anyone who’s motivated to actually improve the situation here, can just write appropriate documentation.
I guess, a fork would give you a new name, and therefore a clean slate where there’s not loads of contradicting information already out there. But yeah, that’s also a lot of work…
Do you have some specific threads in mind? Maybe I’m lucky to never click on the bad ones but my experience is that nobody is more cynical regarding Nix/NixOS jank than the long time NixOS users. You might not always get the answer you want, because it is very jank and doing some things will get you into trouble. But people pointing that out isn’t the same thing as gaslighting.
Guix SD might be worth a look, it seems to be just straight up better in many technical regards. It has no flakes, comprehensive documentation and a blessed way to manage user homes. At least as long as you don’t really need WiFi of course…
I’m using GuixSD on my desktop, and while I think it’s better in terms of creating stuff that doesn’t already exist in upstream repos, there’s so much functionality missing that’s present in nixpkgs and random flakes online that for the average person complaining about Nix jank it’s very likely not worth the effort. On the bright side they released 1.5 recently so you no longer have to use a 3 year old image (that likely doesn’t work right if your computer is too new) or a nightly one to get things running.
At least as long as you don’t really need WiFi of course…
Hey, now – the NonGuix repo. exists!
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For those unfamiliar, it contains software with proprietary elements that otherwise can’t make it into the Guix software repository, à la non-free for Debian.
You can get the normal Linux kernel and all the hardware compatibility you’d typically expect easily through NonGuix.
Damn right. And the Nixos community forums are full of people unwilling to accept this. They will gaslight you into thinking you’re the problem. “Just do this”, as I’d it’s completely obvious and you’re dumb for not realising that. Of course if they find out you have some ideological incompatibility with them, you’re out anyway.
NIXOS really needs a fork. One that embraces or rejects flakes outright. One that stops inviting ideological battles. And one that embraces documentation.
That’s impossible IMHO. Nix is fundamentally about doing things “the right way”, and so there will always be disagreements about what “the right way” is. I think they are bound to be eventually settled on the best possible answer, you don’t need a fork for that.
I mean, you don’t really need a fork for that. Anyone who’s motivated to actually improve the situation here, can just write appropriate documentation.
I guess, a fork would give you a new name, and therefore a clean slate where there’s not loads of contradicting information already out there. But yeah, that’s also a lot of work…
Do you have some specific threads in mind? Maybe I’m lucky to never click on the bad ones but my experience is that nobody is more cynical regarding Nix/NixOS jank than the long time NixOS users. You might not always get the answer you want, because it is very jank and doing some things will get you into trouble. But people pointing that out isn’t the same thing as gaslighting.
Guix SD might be worth a look, it seems to be just straight up better in many technical regards. It has no flakes, comprehensive documentation and a blessed way to manage user homes. At least as long as you don’t really need WiFi of course…
I’m using GuixSD on my desktop, and while I think it’s better in terms of creating stuff that doesn’t already exist in upstream repos, there’s so much functionality missing that’s present in nixpkgs and random flakes online that for the average person complaining about Nix jank it’s very likely not worth the effort. On the bright side they released 1.5 recently so you no longer have to use a 3 year old image (that likely doesn’t work right if your computer is too new) or a nightly one to get things running.
Hey, now – the NonGuix repo. exists!
_
For those unfamiliar, it contains software with proprietary elements that otherwise can’t make it into the Guix software repository, à la
non-freefor Debian.You can get the normal Linux kernel and all the hardware compatibility you’d typically expect easily through NonGuix.
You are thinking of the better alternative, guix
There are forks of Nix. Perhaps you might like Lix.