No, organize in orgs like PSL. Nobody is suggesting voting for the GOP, but instead realizing voting cannot fix a fundamentally broken system, and that it needs to be replaced.
Voting vs other actions isn’t a dichotomy - you can vote for the lesser evil to buy time, AND do the things that will make a real and lasting impact.
In our current system though, red team vs blue IS a dichotomy - using your vote you can nudge the counter a tiny bit closer to one side or the other; or opt out / vote third, which both equate to doing nothing and letting you’re countrymen choose for you, but the potential results are the same: red or blue.
So, you can use your vote however you want, but I’d recommend pitching that nudge away from the more blatant Nazis. …but also build those guillotines for use against hostile actors regardless of party.
What folks 100% should NOT do though is vote and then consider their ‘civic duty’ satisfied, which is ofc the sentiment OP is aimed at.
Voting for a different party of genocidal imperialists doesn’t actually buy time to organize, though. Both parties fund ICE, both wage war on the global south, both are actively against worker organization that stands to threaten the system they both stand for.
I personally do not care if someone votes, as long as they are also organizing. If someone is only engaged with politics via voting, then they have no leg to stand on when others advocate for voting third party and organizing in real life. If someone organizes and happens to vote DNC, I really could not care less, they can do that as long as they actually participate in party building.
No, that’s not how first past the post works. Voting third party is a vote for third party, not for the GOP nor DNC, as neither represents me. You’re assuming my vote would be for the DNC by default for your math, but that’s not correct, I condemn both the GOP and DNC. That’s the reality, and it doesn’t matter what fuzzy logic you use to justify what you believe.
I understand the spoiler effect, but since neither party represents me in any capacity, there’s nothing to spoil. PSL represents me. I also understand that it’s impossible for a working class party to win, currently, so I actually organize politically in real life, year-round, not just voting once in a while and talking online. MAGA took power because the US Empire is declining, and the DNC is incapable of representing the working classes, so there has been a rightward shift.
Even if every single third-party voter voted Harris in every state, she still would have lost. Nothing you claimed is true in any capacity.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that I’m either Russian or a bot? I’m a Statesian communist, accusing me of being a spooky scary foreigner and dehumanizing me for disagreeing with you is low.
Can you elaborate? Is being a communist “Russian state propaganda?” I don’t think I’ve ever even linked RT to make a point. Do you have any evidence of this, or is this just an accusation you hurl when confronted by someone to your left?
No, organize in orgs like PSL. Nobody is suggesting voting for the GOP, but instead realizing voting cannot fix a fundamentally broken system, and that it needs to be replaced.
Voting vs other actions isn’t a dichotomy - you can vote for the lesser evil to buy time, AND do the things that will make a real and lasting impact.
In our current system though, red team vs blue IS a dichotomy - using your vote you can nudge the counter a tiny bit closer to one side or the other; or opt out / vote third, which both equate to doing nothing and letting you’re countrymen choose for you, but the potential results are the same: red or blue.
So, you can use your vote however you want, but I’d recommend pitching that nudge away from the more blatant Nazis. …but also build those guillotines for use against hostile actors regardless of party.
What folks 100% should NOT do though is vote and then consider their ‘civic duty’ satisfied, which is ofc the sentiment OP is aimed at.
Voting for a different party of genocidal imperialists doesn’t actually buy time to organize, though. Both parties fund ICE, both wage war on the global south, both are actively against worker organization that stands to threaten the system they both stand for.
I personally do not care if someone votes, as long as they are also organizing. If someone is only engaged with politics via voting, then they have no leg to stand on when others advocate for voting third party and organizing in real life. If someone organizes and happens to vote DNC, I really could not care less, they can do that as long as they actually participate in party building.
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oh i was told by one of your ‘republicans’ that it’s actually a vote for ‘democrat’.
three votes for the price of one? third-parties sound pretty powerful.
fake ass electoral system.
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No, that’s not how first past the post works. Voting third party is a vote for third party, not for the GOP nor DNC, as neither represents me. You’re assuming my vote would be for the DNC by default for your math, but that’s not correct, I condemn both the GOP and DNC. That’s the reality, and it doesn’t matter what fuzzy logic you use to justify what you believe.
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I understand the spoiler effect, but since neither party represents me in any capacity, there’s nothing to spoil. PSL represents me. I also understand that it’s impossible for a working class party to win, currently, so I actually organize politically in real life, year-round, not just voting once in a while and talking online. MAGA took power because the US Empire is declining, and the DNC is incapable of representing the working classes, so there has been a rightward shift.
Even if every single third-party voter voted Harris in every state, she still would have lost. Nothing you claimed is true in any capacity.
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Do you have any evidence whatsoever that I’m either Russian or a bot? I’m a Statesian communist, accusing me of being a spooky scary foreigner and dehumanizing me for disagreeing with you is low.
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Can you elaborate? Is being a communist “Russian state propaganda?” I don’t think I’ve ever even linked RT to make a point. Do you have any evidence of this, or is this just an accusation you hurl when confronted by someone to your left?