I’m all about a federated commune of communes, seriously, but at scale how is that really much different? You can’t have billions of people living on the planet, or hundreds of millions in a country, without some kind of coordination. It’s not practical for millions of people to vote on every little detail, you’ve still got to have focused representatives to, at minimum, collect information into policy that can be voted on in the first place.
Really the only two options, barring authoritarianism, are direct democracy or some kind of elected representatives. Direct democracy doesn’t really work for most considerable topics (agricultural production, electric grid installation, hospital equipment, etc.). Even if people knew enough about the subject to make informed decisions, most people won’t bother engaging. So we’re inevitably left with some kind of representative democracy, councils don’t really eliminate the fact of electing representatives, or the consequences when certain demographics over or underperform at the polls.
Voting does little to nothing compared to actual working class organization. Ranked choice doesn’t change the calculus that the parties allowed by the capitalist system support it and protect it from the left.
Yeah this mentality elected Trump when many lefties refused to vote.
Maybe you have gone last chance on midterms, maybe it’s too late and the system will only make the controlling party to win. Not sure. But if people refuse to vote, I don’t think they ever have the chance.
If lefties refusing to vote for genocide actually meaningfully steered the election, then it’s the fault of the DNC for running on a pro-genocide platform and alienating lefties. No, the DNC doesn’t represent the working classes in any capacity, neither does the GOP. With or without midterms or a general election, revolution has always been necessary, and that will not change.
You don’t get it. Lefties didn’t vote and helped to speed up and increase the genocide. They helped the plan a lot by not voting and their hands has blood too, they can lie to themselves when they “washed their hands” but they had a choice and they prefer to let MAGA choose for them.
MAGA is voting, like it or not, and not voting only help them
The DNC would not have stopped the genocide, they have consistently funded and supplied it. Further, even if the DNC lost because Leftists sat out (which there’s no evidence that this is the case), it means the DNC ran a pro-genocide campaign and alienated a vital voting bloc in doing so.
This is the system you have. If you don’t vote you’re part of the problem
Only voting you can ask to elected people to change things. Maybe ranked elections would allow more parties and candidates
How about we replace that system with one where we don’t have to ask nicely to change things for the better?
What system accomplishes that?
A council democracy, for example. Or a federated commune of communes.
I’m all about a federated commune of communes, seriously, but at scale how is that really much different? You can’t have billions of people living on the planet, or hundreds of millions in a country, without some kind of coordination. It’s not practical for millions of people to vote on every little detail, you’ve still got to have focused representatives to, at minimum, collect information into policy that can be voted on in the first place.
Really the only two options, barring authoritarianism, are direct democracy or some kind of elected representatives. Direct democracy doesn’t really work for most considerable topics (agricultural production, electric grid installation, hospital equipment, etc.). Even if people knew enough about the subject to make informed decisions, most people won’t bother engaging. So we’re inevitably left with some kind of representative democracy, councils don’t really eliminate the fact of electing representatives, or the consequences when certain demographics over or underperform at the polls.
So, add a recall election mechanism and let everything else play out the same?
Because most parts of the US would probably reelect the same candidate if an election was held tomorrow (literally the standard polling question).
Renaming things doesn’t make them work better.
No, that’s not what I said. I want to abolish rulers completely.
Council democracy isn’t based on electoral parliament, but on general assemblies.
Oh yes, so different.
Come again if you want to actually engage with ideas foreign to you.
Yeah. You can only do that by voting. Be careful with infiltrated agitators that just want to give reasons for martial law
Liberal democracy is not the singularity of politicso
If it’s obvious how FPTP works, then the candidates who play dumb about ranked voting actually support fascism.
Those are our choices, Liberal Fascists or Fascist Liberals. At least until the left can win a lot more primaries.
It’s no accident that the fascist primaries are also FPTP. There will always be an Elizabeth Warren when they want one.
Beating them is on us. They aren’t going to just roll over.
Nope, we’ve already got that covered.
Voting does little to nothing compared to actual working class organization. Ranked choice doesn’t change the calculus that the parties allowed by the capitalist system support it and protect it from the left.
Yeah this mentality elected Trump when many lefties refused to vote. Maybe you have gone last chance on midterms, maybe it’s too late and the system will only make the controlling party to win. Not sure. But if people refuse to vote, I don’t think they ever have the chance.
If lefties refusing to vote for genocide actually meaningfully steered the election, then it’s the fault of the DNC for running on a pro-genocide platform and alienating lefties. No, the DNC doesn’t represent the working classes in any capacity, neither does the GOP. With or without midterms or a general election, revolution has always been necessary, and that will not change.
You don’t get it. Lefties didn’t vote and helped to speed up and increase the genocide. They helped the plan a lot by not voting and their hands has blood too, they can lie to themselves when they “washed their hands” but they had a choice and they prefer to let MAGA choose for them.
MAGA is voting, like it or not, and not voting only help them
The DNC would not have stopped the genocide, they have consistently funded and supplied it. Further, even if the DNC lost because Leftists sat out (which there’s no evidence that this is the case), it means the DNC ran a pro-genocide campaign and alienated a vital voting bloc in doing so.