• PugJesus@piefed.socialOPM
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    6 days ago

    The Holodomor is only related to Lenin insofar as the system Lenin established with ‘war communism’ was not agriculturally robust, and the backpedaling of the NEP didn’t outlast him.

    All the major factors of it - the mass collectivization, the export of food from starving regions, the export of food from the Soviet Union itself, the deportation of ‘kulaks’ to Siberia, etc etc etc, were all Stalinist initiatives. Maybe you could argue that if Lenin had legitimately improved Soviet agriculture it wouldn’t have happened, but other than that, I don’t know that there’s a strong argument for putting Lenin - shithead though he was - in with the causes of the Holodomor.

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      6 days ago

      Lenin sent Stalin to Ukraine to do what was necessary to get the grain. Unless I’m misremembering.

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        I think your timeline is a little mixed up. To my memory Stalin wasn’t involved with Ukraine at all (except passing through when he had his taste of military service against the Poles) during Lenin’s lifetime. That was like, 1921 or so. Stalin was a bit-player at the time. Lenin died in 1924.

        The Holodomor happened around 1932.

        Lenin did cause food shortages by grain seizures, but, again, to my memory, Stalin was not a key part of that. And Lenin’s grain seizures weren’t focused on Ukraine, nor as idiotic and arbitrary as Stalin’s. Just callous, feeding the Red Army during the Russian Civil War at the expense of the starvation of workers and peasants.

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          It’s possible, it’s been a good few years since I read up on it all.

          I’ve got a copy of Red Famine on my nightstand so might give it a go again.

          What my intention was to say though was that Lenin’s hands certainly weren’t clean in Ukraine and that the famines started early and lead up to Holodomor, started with Lenin as a result of his choices for the fledging Soviet and continued with Stalin with his hatred of Ukraine.