Not necessarily. Liberalism is a “lesser evil” compared to full fascism. Assuming that socdems/demsocs are dangerous at every moment is idealism. For example, The CPC allied itself with the Guomindang when it came to the fight against the fascist Japanese. Also, when it comes to solidarity with the White proletariat of the Global North, we shouldn’t forget their complicity, but we have White comrades here. Remember what Fred Hampton said:
We got to face some facts. That the masses are poor, that the masses belong to what you call the lower class, and when I talk about the masses, I’m talking about the white masses, I’m talking about the black masses, and the brown masses, and the yellow masses, too. We’ve got to face the fact that some people say you fight fire best with fire, but we say you put fire out best with water. We say you don’t fight racism with racism—we’re gonna fight racism with solidarity. We say you don’t fight capitalism with no black capitalism; you fight capitalism with socialism. – Power Anywhere Where There’s People!, Fred Hampton.
Apologies for pulling a quote here, but I think it fits this context. I know White people benefit from the spoils of imperialism, but they are proletarians with false consciousness. We shouldn’t dehumanize them.
what about Malcolm X considering the white liberal the jaws of the fox though? the fact that the us (and the rest of the west) has no moral conscience? for example, if israelis are deemed unsalvagable given they want to wipe out all palestinians and use the samson doctrine, then why isn’t that same understanding applied to the other western taxons? is it because it makes americans, canadians, europeans, etc. uncomfortable? it doesn’t make sense to me
To answer your point about Israel, the state is a fascist ethno state that is actively conducting mass genocide and colonial settlerism. Therein, Israel is considered a lost cause because any who proport to fight for the cause directly uphold the tenets of Zionist philosophy because there is no room in Israel for anyone else. In the example of the United States, the social dynamics of the country bind together the fates of millions of individuals belonging to several disparate groups not belonging to the hegemon. Sadly, this is a result of the successful settlerism of the nation and the successful elimination of clear lines delineating oppressed from oppressor. So when one begs for “westoids” to be punished for generations, one imagines this ideal suburbanite white appearing person, while in reality you are likewise wishing for millions of subjugated black, native, lgbt, immigrant, and other such individuals to suffer without cause or reason. This line of thinking only alienates the global proletariat from one another and aids in maintaining the antagonistic relationship bred within the proletariat consciousness by capital interests.
Reducing the problem to “Westoids” and a lack of a moral compass also ignores the active role of the capitalist base in maintaining the current status quo. To that end, Malcom was calling for Marxist to develop and act as the moral compass of the West, not cast the entirety of the proletariat aside for the sins of their capitalist masters.
i guess i can understand that but i feel that negates the real impact westoids have by benefitting from imperialism is the problem
why not target the white part of the westoids then? i feel we have the least chances of being rehabilitated, and the west needs to pay for what we’ve done in some way or another imo
Not necessarily. Liberalism is a “lesser evil” compared to full fascism. Assuming that socdems/demsocs are dangerous at every moment is idealism. For example, The CPC allied itself with the Guomindang when it came to the fight against the fascist Japanese. Also, when it comes to solidarity with the White proletariat of the Global North, we shouldn’t forget their complicity, but we have White comrades here. Remember what Fred Hampton said:
Apologies for pulling a quote here, but I think it fits this context. I know White people benefit from the spoils of imperialism, but they are proletarians with false consciousness. We shouldn’t dehumanize them.
what about Malcolm X considering the white liberal the jaws of the fox though? the fact that the us (and the rest of the west) has no moral conscience? for example, if israelis are deemed unsalvagable given they want to wipe out all palestinians and use the samson doctrine, then why isn’t that same understanding applied to the other western taxons? is it because it makes americans, canadians, europeans, etc. uncomfortable? it doesn’t make sense to me
edit: typo
To answer your point about Israel, the state is a fascist ethno state that is actively conducting mass genocide and colonial settlerism. Therein, Israel is considered a lost cause because any who proport to fight for the cause directly uphold the tenets of Zionist philosophy because there is no room in Israel for anyone else. In the example of the United States, the social dynamics of the country bind together the fates of millions of individuals belonging to several disparate groups not belonging to the hegemon. Sadly, this is a result of the successful settlerism of the nation and the successful elimination of clear lines delineating oppressed from oppressor. So when one begs for “westoids” to be punished for generations, one imagines this ideal suburbanite white appearing person, while in reality you are likewise wishing for millions of subjugated black, native, lgbt, immigrant, and other such individuals to suffer without cause or reason. This line of thinking only alienates the global proletariat from one another and aids in maintaining the antagonistic relationship bred within the proletariat consciousness by capital interests.
Reducing the problem to “Westoids” and a lack of a moral compass also ignores the active role of the capitalist base in maintaining the current status quo. To that end, Malcom was calling for Marxist to develop and act as the moral compass of the West, not cast the entirety of the proletariat aside for the sins of their capitalist masters.
i guess i can understand that but i feel that negates the real impact westoids have by benefitting from imperialism is the problem
why not target the white part of the westoids then? i feel we have the least chances of being rehabilitated, and the west needs to pay for what we’ve done in some way or another imo
I don’t think I can answer that. I need to read more.
sorry
Don’t be sorry. Thanks for making me think a bit more.