And that’s a more reasonable way of thinking. I tried being a vegetarian and a vegan. Not compatible with my body and factoring in supplements, too expensive.
Thats not how world markets work though. 20% of meat eaters turning vegan would compound vegan movement more than 50% less meat consumed. The former grows vegan market explicitly while the latter just maybe shrinks the meat market only. You have consider availability, research and development, service, pop culture and the fact that we massive overconsume food so less consumption does not directly shrink the market in linear fashion.
If it could work without any ban, it most likely would already. It’s known for decades that the meat industry is a leading factor in climate change. So thw motivation would be there, if people were rwady to do so without being forced to.
Just a reminder that we closed the ozon layer by banning CFCs, not by having everybody boycott it on their own by their free will.
Brb, giving up my entire means of livelihood in an environment where I can’t even sell off my assets because they are also banned, all in this job market. Sounds like a good way to quickly block major roadways with tractors, fuck cars should be happy.
I am sure farmers could get free money to compensate, just like they did when trump fucked the soy trade with China. I didn’t hear about tractors on streets when that happened.
Gimme some of of that listeria, e. coli, salmonella, the parasite thing I had from a salad, etc. There wouldn’t be more food. Diversity is what keeps us alive. You do you, but I don’t think you understand how the world works. And please tell me how rice and beans will keep me alive in -40 degree weather. I guess I should just chug olive oil.
And yeah, sure it was nice when I had my own garden in Vermont. But now I get to play Russian roulette, except 5/6 chambers have rounds. I hate to shit on you since you have good intentions but it’s a naive take.
You know that the e coli on the salad comes from the excrements of farmed animals that get spread on the fields because otherwise it would be expensive to get it all handled?
Also I live in the Midwest and I am fine as vegan, even during winter walking outside. And like most people I have a house and a heating anyways.
I’d actually argue that you’d have more problems cutting out the carbs during winter, than cutting out the meat.
heh there’s the human excrement as well. I mean you do you, if you’re willing to take up that lifestyle than good. I don’t think when it comes to food most of the time. It’s kind of like my buddies that like to hunt deer, they’re all about trophy shots and whatever. Tracking the blood trail. And get pissed when I shot to the back of the head (shutting down all function); no suffering no running away in fear.
I hope so as well. I’ve had many students, military members, friends, girlfriends, complete strangers, confide in me and tell me their dark pasts, seek me for help and I’ve helped them through it. I hope someone will do the same for me. So good on you for your assumptions, go on and tell me how you’ve helped someone.
Getting all meat eaters to cut intake by 50% is easier than getting 50% of meat eaters to turn vegan.
Arguably carnivores have already cut meat intake, at least red meat, to greater impact than vegetarians.
While I’m going by anecdote rather than data
Basically one fewer burger a week by 100 people has more impact than one person not eating meat at all
Even a switch from beef burger to chicken burger would have a substantial CO2 impact.
And that’s a more reasonable way of thinking. I tried being a vegetarian and a vegan. Not compatible with my body and factoring in supplements, too expensive.
Thats not how world markets work though. 20% of meat eaters turning vegan would compound vegan movement more than 50% less meat consumed. The former grows vegan market explicitly while the latter just maybe shrinks the meat market only. You have consider availability, research and development, service, pop culture and the fact that we massive overconsume food so less consumption does not directly shrink the market in linear fashion.
True. The goal of less animal farming may just achieve cheaper meat prices. Probably some tarrif/subsidy policy is needed to actual reduce production.
I think that’s not true. The easiest would be to ban animal farming, which would cut consumption nearly entirely.
“The easiest way is just me fiating this impossible idealistic nonsense in my own head”
You do you, man.
Well easier than cutting everybody’s consumption by 50% lmao
You’d first need to capture the current consumption for everyone, so yes, a ban would be way easier to implement
I agree an authoritarian ban would not be well received, and likely circumvented.
The 50% cut in consumption could be achieved voluntarily through subsidy, tariffs, education and health arguments.
If it could work without any ban, it most likely would already. It’s known for decades that the meat industry is a leading factor in climate change. So thw motivation would be there, if people were rwady to do so without being forced to.
Just a reminder that we closed the ozon layer by banning CFCs, not by having everybody boycott it on their own by their free will.
Brb, giving up my entire means of livelihood in an environment where I can’t even sell off my assets because they are also banned, all in this job market. Sounds like a good way to quickly block major roadways with tractors, fuck cars should be happy.
I am sure farmers could get free money to compensate, just like they did when trump fucked the soy trade with China. I didn’t hear about tractors on streets when that happened.
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How is that easy?
You know, just like the prohibition, or banning drugs, you sign a law and because farms are usually big it’s easy to track them down.
I don’t think fighting a civil war qualifies as an “easy way”.
The government has the police and the military, there’s no way a guy with a rifle is doing something against an F15.
Yes and and the police and military will absolutely just enforce this ban without question … they are quite famously full of vegans.
I actually retract my statement. We’d only be fighting vegans, so we probably could knock out the civil war in a couple of days.
You think somebody would actually ban meat farming in the first place? I like how naive you are.
Probably not in a democracy, no.
It’s called a hypothetical, dipshit. Also quite rich from someone that seems to fundamentally misunderstand what a civil war is.
Tell me about all the civil wars you’ve been part of. Wait even better, name me 3 civil wars without googling or Ai. I really love americans xD
Yeah, that’s not how that works, buddy.
Wenn man keine Ahnung hat einfach mal die Fresse halten.
Top down approaches are almost never the answer.
Ah good to know, let’s ignore all laws then, abolish religion and live in Anarchy. Wait that’s actually also fine with me.
Um you know that historically lack of food lead to cannibalism right? … It’s still a thing today, everyday.
You’re aware that there wou’d be more food, not less if we banned meat?
Gimme some of of that listeria, e. coli, salmonella, the parasite thing I had from a salad, etc. There wouldn’t be more food. Diversity is what keeps us alive. You do you, but I don’t think you understand how the world works. And please tell me how rice and beans will keep me alive in -40 degree weather. I guess I should just chug olive oil.
And yeah, sure it was nice when I had my own garden in Vermont. But now I get to play Russian roulette, except 5/6 chambers have rounds. I hate to shit on you since you have good intentions but it’s a naive take.
You know that the e coli on the salad comes from the excrements of farmed animals that get spread on the fields because otherwise it would be expensive to get it all handled?
Also I live in the Midwest and I am fine as vegan, even during winter walking outside. And like most people I have a house and a heating anyways.
I’d actually argue that you’d have more problems cutting out the carbs during winter, than cutting out the meat.
heh there’s the human excrement as well. I mean you do you, if you’re willing to take up that lifestyle than good. I don’t think when it comes to food most of the time. It’s kind of like my buddies that like to hunt deer, they’re all about trophy shots and whatever. Tracking the blood trail. And get pissed when I shot to the back of the head (shutting down all function); no suffering no running away in fear.
I just hope you’ll get treated how you treat others.
Wasn’t it just Kirk day?
I hope so as well. I’ve had many students, military members, friends, girlfriends, complete strangers, confide in me and tell me their dark pasts, seek me for help and I’ve helped them through it. I hope someone will do the same for me. So good on you for your assumptions, go on and tell me how you’ve helped someone.
Would you be willing to take up arms for that fight? Because meat eaters would be.
Yes, of course I would be ready. Meat eaters would take up arms like they take up arms to fight the Tyrants taking over the country.
People with firearms have them because they are scared, not because they would fight.
An incremental step would be making it more expensive through taxes or regulation. A possible improvement rather than sitting on an impossible ideal
I’d take that, but is that going to happen? Doesn’t seem more realistic than a total ban.