It’s the system that produces a restricted rules of engagement and a general fear of punishment if you do something wildly out of line and a strong Management that induces discipline and restraint. If you take one crazy guy out of that system and then hand him a gun and tell him that he can do whatever he wants with full immunity then you don’t get restraint.
My point is, you can draw a direct through-line between Iraq/Afghanistan and what is happening now domestically. You can’t really separate the two. Thus there’s no point in drawing a distinction between a soldier and a “gravy seal”. That’s just cope; the military is not coming to save us
Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. There are lots of problems with the military, and there are also clear use of force guidelines. I’m not saying those are never violated, but they at least have them and more training.
Some of the best people I’ve ever met were Servicemembers… All of the worst people too. I’ve met some losers but some of the most high key bad people I’ve met were Servicemenbers…
Do you think its more likely that American soldiers have fantastic moral character and discipline or that American soldiers are not punished when they make mistakes?
I’m saying that an absence of records of punishing Americans for war crimes does not mean they don’t commit war crimes. I think its more likely that they aren’t punished at all, and if some are, its not reported.
Soldiers have way more trigger discipline than the gravy seals.
The guy who shot Renee Good was a soldier…
It’s the system that produces a restricted rules of engagement and a general fear of punishment if you do something wildly out of line and a strong Management that induces discipline and restraint. If you take one crazy guy out of that system and then hand him a gun and tell him that he can do whatever he wants with full immunity then you don’t get restraint.
So what?
My point is, you can draw a direct through-line between Iraq/Afghanistan and what is happening now domestically. You can’t really separate the two. Thus there’s no point in drawing a distinction between a soldier and a “gravy seal”. That’s just cope; the military is not coming to save us
There are plenty of shit bags in the service. There are plenty of fantastic people too. The military is a great representation of all proletariats.
So what? The same could be said about ICE. The quality of individuals doesn’t mean anything when the institution as a whole is so rotten and evil
The US military has murdered orders of magnitude more unarmed civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan than ICE ever conceivably will in the US
Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. There are lots of problems with the military, and there are also clear use of force guidelines. I’m not saying those are never violated, but they at least have them and more training.
Jonathan Ross was a soldier before he joined ICE.
Some of the best people I’ve ever met were Servicemembers… All of the worst people too. I’ve met some losers but some of the most high key bad people I’ve met were Servicemenbers…
Do you think its more likely that American soldiers have fantastic moral character and discipline or that American soldiers are not punished when they make mistakes?
Did you mean are punished?
I’m saying that an absence of records of punishing Americans for war crimes does not mean they don’t commit war crimes. I think its more likely that they aren’t punished at all, and if some are, its not reported.