We tend to think that markets reflect consumer choice. But the artificial-intelligence boom has been powered by the investment decisions of concentrated capital rather than by consumer demand.
Someone mentioned that, but it doesn’t have to be off-grid. My 2 kWp system is grid-tied and if I would start running a local LLM it would be an incentive to add another couple.
It may sound odd but I’ve heard people bring up the above point a few times. “AI isn’t bad - if you run it on a sustainable off-grid system it’s perfectly fine.”
But I have NOT encountered people actually doing this even once, let alone a few times. That’s why I was asking.
Anything that wastes energy can be recast as harmless if you put it on an imaginary sustainable setup but that just seems like fantasizing.
Renewable infra isn’t sustainable, since it can’t be built with renewable energy alone. As such it’s just a fossil multiplier. I make about 2/3rd of my own net power, since my electricity meter is old enough to run backwards. I can’t install more orelse my meter would read negative. I intend to run a Qwen model that fits my 8 GB HBM Radeon card as an experiment during the day, starting end of this month.
If this works I consider running something hotter, and double my PV capacity. Adding AC or an EV would be another option. None of this is sustainable, but not exactly a fantasy.
From go to woah (including the compute), total project cost is about $1400 USD / ~$2K AUD. I realise I have the privilege of claiming that’s not a lot, but for a hobby spend that makes me happy / does useful stuff (see TV example above), it’s not a lot.
It just sounded like the kind of thing that makes good sense on paper but I’m wondering if it actually works out well. Sounds like you are in the process of getting ready to try it.
I am indeed. With the amount of solar here - and the relatively low cost for this sort of mini DIY set up - it’s something I’ve been meaning to do for a while.
What the fuck are ethical sources? Where is compensation and consent when I unapologetically use pirate archives of books and papers? You people crack me up.
You’re not understanding what standing on the shoulders of giants means. Locally hosted open weights models are free/libre and puts you in control of your data. Since we’re talking about hilariously stupid.
Self-hosted LLMs are neat and private, if you (already) have the hardware/budget and some cheap (solar PV) surplus juice to drive it.
Do you know anyone doing all of that? Running a local model on off-grid power?
Someone mentioned that, but it doesn’t have to be off-grid. My 2 kWp system is grid-tied and if I would start running a local LLM it would be an incentive to add another couple.
It may sound odd but I’ve heard people bring up the above point a few times. “AI isn’t bad - if you run it on a sustainable off-grid system it’s perfectly fine.”
But I have NOT encountered people actually doing this even once, let alone a few times. That’s why I was asking.
Anything that wastes energy can be recast as harmless if you put it on an imaginary sustainable setup but that just seems like fantasizing.
Renewable infra isn’t sustainable, since it can’t be built with renewable energy alone. As such it’s just a fossil multiplier. I make about 2/3rd of my own net power, since my electricity meter is old enough to run backwards. I can’t install more orelse my meter would read negative. I intend to run a Qwen model that fits my 8 GB HBM Radeon card as an experiment during the day, starting end of this month.
If this works I consider running something hotter, and double my PV capacity. Adding AC or an EV would be another option. None of this is sustainable, but not exactly a fantasy.
What would you like to know about it?
I glossed over it the other day here -
https://aussie.zone/comment/24336560
From go to woah (including the compute), total project cost is about $1400 USD / ~$2K AUD. I realise I have the privilege of claiming that’s not a lot, but for a hobby spend that makes me happy / does useful stuff (see TV example above), it’s not a lot.
It just sounded like the kind of thing that makes good sense on paper but I’m wondering if it actually works out well. Sounds like you are in the process of getting ready to try it.
I am indeed. With the amount of solar here - and the relatively low cost for this sort of mini DIY set up - it’s something I’ve been meaning to do for a while.
oh so yours is trained on ethical sources? you compensated the creators for their work and did so with their consent to machine training?
What the fuck are ethical sources? Where is compensation and consent when I unapologetically use pirate archives of books and papers? You people crack me up.
the fact that you have no idea what I’m talking about either means you’re full of shit, or cartoonishly stupid and evil.
Probably both
The fact that you immediately descend into ad hominems indicates that you’re a just another troll that should be posting from hexbear.
you’re simply used to llm sycophancy, not talking to actual people.
you really not understanding training on sources compensated for their content is hilariously stupid
You’re not understanding what standing on the shoulders of giants means. Locally hosted open weights models are free/libre and puts you in control of your data. Since we’re talking about hilariously stupid.
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