Im stuck with an s23 for a while yet. Is it even worth the trouble of trying to use f droid, shutting off google play services and disabling all the other shit on my phone, when at its core its all spyware?
I really wish an alternative existed that wasn’t just a prototype or $1000.


They aren’t running Google software, they’re using GrapheneOS. And the spyware they’re referring to on Samsung phones is very pubic knowledge, just as the data collection and surveillance in stock Pixel software is. But that’s not relevant
Ever heard of hardware backdoors and spyware?
Perhaps you have some useful suggestions to share. Always happy to listen and learn.
I honestly dont know at this point. but my point is, people buying phones of THE evil company that takes our freedom and privacy away, to get freedom, and think that a company as evil as google will just let you have actual privacy, is kind of absurd. But, it seems like you people have done more research on this. You say there is and havent been evidence of spyware on google pixels, and I will accept that. But deep down Im pessimistic.
Truth is, most of us feel the same way you do. You are not alone. What is being shared by the community is the “best options of what we have” at the moment.
This tyranny is by design. But this also means we can design ourselves out of it. Its just slow process.
We are starting to see new models of communication be develop, and in some cases we are seeing convergence of these efforts into very exciting solutions.
We’ll get there. Its a lot of work and we have to keep doing whatever we can in our capacity to help that process along.
Just know we all feel the same way you do, and this is the best we got for the time being. We have to stick together and keep talking all this.
Power to us!!