That’s just you looking to be butthurt. I’m saying that anarchists can go do their collective stuff and communists can go do their state stuff. You are viewing communism through the lenses of places that have pretended to be that way but were just using it as a disguise to exploit their workforce in a more extreme way than capitalism. There was no sharing of collective work in either the USSR or China. I personally think anarchy is for short sighted people who don’t understand history. Good luck doing your non independent loving that will somehow never set up organizing structures to maximize efficiency.
It is still interesting, that you are already applying the state to punish dissenters while claiming to be different, even in this hypothetical, you prove the toxic concept of states. As you are sugar-coating exile and literally promoting a political purge with punishments so harsh most nations do not do that (so far only the US uses exiles as a punishment for some minorities).
Also keep in mind you are talking with your allied who will help you during the revolution. are going to build a world with them with the knowledge that you plan to stab them in the back?
I think you are confusing the Anarchist aesthetic, with Anarchist theory, they are so far apart.
Instead of using state violence to prove to every anarchist why states are evil, why not use your energy to build a state which anarchists wont complain, one that does not use violence on its people, a state that feeds everyone, a state where everyone is free.
Because those tools you build in your state to fight the enemy within, will be eventually used against you.
At no point did I mention state violence. My point was that I don’t believe it would be a factor in an actual communist state. Could you highlight where you thought I was implying that?
I mean, you could just fuck off into the woods and visit when you want to, real commies won’t hunt you. I think it’s legit for people to want to live collectively under a state, and I think it’s legit for people to want to be completely independent. Without the never ending appetite of capitalism, I think the two could coexist.
Please explain how saying you can go live on your own and that no one would look for you, is a threat? I literally say the two could co exist. You seem like a sad person just looking to be angry.
are gaslighting me? you literally just said that we can coexist as long as we are exiled, or in your words “fuck off”.
that is not coexistance.
seriously, look inwardly because it seems that you only want a revolution to reproduce the means of oppression just with you at the top, rather than smashing the tools of oppression.
No, you are the one who doesn’t want to live in a place with an operating state government. Are you just offended by the word fuck? Capitalism has broken your brain if you truly don’t believe there can be a governing body that can operate without oppression.
That’s just you looking to be butthurt. I’m saying that anarchists can go do their collective stuff and communists can go do their state stuff. You are viewing communism through the lenses of places that have pretended to be that way but were just using it as a disguise to exploit their workforce in a more extreme way than capitalism. There was no sharing of collective work in either the USSR or China. I personally think anarchy is for short sighted people who don’t understand history. Good luck doing your non independent loving that will somehow never set up organizing structures to maximize efficiency.
It is still interesting, that you are already applying the state to punish dissenters while claiming to be different, even in this hypothetical, you prove the toxic concept of states. As you are sugar-coating exile and literally promoting a political purge with punishments so harsh most nations do not do that (so far only the US uses exiles as a punishment for some minorities).
Also keep in mind you are talking with your allied who will help you during the revolution. are going to build a world with them with the knowledge that you plan to stab them in the back?
I think you are confusing the Anarchist aesthetic, with Anarchist theory, they are so far apart.
Instead of using state violence to prove to every anarchist why states are evil, why not use your energy to build a state which anarchists wont complain, one that does not use violence on its people, a state that feeds everyone, a state where everyone is free.
Because those tools you build in your state to fight the enemy within, will be eventually used against you.
At no point did I mention state violence. My point was that I don’t believe it would be a factor in an actual communist state. Could you highlight where you thought I was implying that?
you did,
how do you expect to exile me? if I do not consent?
At no point did I even hint at exiling anyone. With your victim complex I’m shocked you’re not maga. Can you quote where I mentioned exiling anyone?
is that you?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/23793034
Please explain how saying you can go live on your own and that no one would look for you, is a threat? I literally say the two could co exist. You seem like a sad person just looking to be angry.
are gaslighting me? you literally just said that we can coexist as long as we are exiled, or in your words “fuck off”.
that is not coexistance.
seriously, look inwardly because it seems that you only want a revolution to reproduce the means of oppression just with you at the top, rather than smashing the tools of oppression.
No, you are the one who doesn’t want to live in a place with an operating state government. Are you just offended by the word fuck? Capitalism has broken your brain if you truly don’t believe there can be a governing body that can operate without oppression.