The core of the post-Vietnam volunteer US military (well more complicated than that with contractors and shit moving on) is these generations of chuds pouring out of the deep south.
Even the PSL, which we were just discussing, is all buddy-buddy with organizations that treat US veterans as special good boys who need their treats. After all Brian Becker’s BFF is Mike Prysner, who got on the map by doing the Medea Benjamin bit of screaming at GWB about how he shed precious soldier blood on filthy middle eastern soil (yes this is a bad faith characterization of the way he centered soldiers’ lives over the colonized – my friends died because you lied – and he deserves it)
We’ve got an issue with coddling the US military to work out. Don’t be deceived by the west’s online spaces
I think there’s a certain degree of desperation about it, when we’re talking about what’s being said and done about it in good faith by regular folks (as opposed to CIA meddling and the like). Whether with PSL or with the military.
To try to explain what I mean, imagine if the conclusion, upon careful investigation, is that the US military is mainly imperialist loyalists and that PSL is largely useless for getting anywhere. This would imply, based on my understanding of the current crop of parties in the US: 1) There isn’t really anybody visibly leading the charge from within who is capable of meeting the moment and 2) The military is going to be a major obstacle from within, unless it breaks itself in imperialist wars.
If this is actually the case, better to know that than to believe in falsehoods. But it’s also a grim outlook for those of us who were born in the US and would have a hard time going elsewhere.
Yes you’re perfectly clear, thank you. It will be very difficult to convince these people to fight for the abolition of their own class. That shouldn’t mean walking on eggshells around them just because they consider their popularity among liberals enough to make them an authority.
Prysner is actively working to undermine the US military, not to defend him from criticism, but i’d take a hundred of him over a hundred of the nazi tattoo guy.
i’m happy to have someone damaging the military for selfish reasons until we’ve built enough that we don’t benefit from his limited work.
Instant slide from “that’s ridiculous to believe the CIA would actually use their infinite money & personnel to do this” to “it’s actually good”
This is the Platner left with anti-imperialist talking points. It presages the Platnerisms these people stumble out with & the particularly rude replies to women. It’s almost like completely nullifying the colonized & imprisoned except as mascots is nasty shitty behavior & not an acceptable concession to achieve “recruiting liberals” (being coopted on purpose to pretend you built a base), & these people are ready to do more shitty things??
your link is broken (or requires a grad login?) and i have no idea what you’re talking about with the rest of the comment.
to answer your initial question, Prysner’s work informing the boots of their legal rights and helping them become conscientious objectors is marginally degrading because of the logistical implications. His org isn’t going to destroy the institution or anything but it does more than any bush era anti-war protest in the US ever did. Please note i previously called it limited.
I strongly encourage you to continue defending a former interrogator with that smug attitude. Doubt you even know he was one.
Come to think of it, nobody asked about your posting habits. 🤔 What an odd thing to throw into a reply to me, 30 seconds after I made my first post of the day in the megathread. We’ll chalk it up to coincidence.
Oh, we have a policy on Lemmygrad of disengaging from unproductive conversations with people. Your other comment is Graham Platnerism. The clarification on your views is appreciated, as you were initially vague. When someone goes “they’re not doing activism that centers imperialists over the colonized” & hops right to “CIA-linked orgs that heap forgiveness on soldiers are better than nothing” that’s not worth spending time on.
I know you didn’t know, btw. Have fun being red, mad, and nude. It’s jubilant, even though we all deny it.
@amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml
The core of the post-Vietnam volunteer US military (well more complicated than that with contractors and shit moving on) is these generations of chuds pouring out of the deep south.
Even the PSL, which we were just discussing, is all buddy-buddy with organizations that treat US veterans as special good boys who need their treats. After all Brian Becker’s BFF is Mike Prysner, who got on the map by doing the Medea Benjamin bit of screaming at GWB about how he shed precious soldier blood on filthy middle eastern soil (yes this is a bad faith characterization of the way he centered soldiers’ lives over the colonized – my friends died because you lied – and he deserves it)
We’ve got an issue with coddling the US military to work out. Don’t be deceived by the west’s online spaces
I think there’s a certain degree of desperation about it, when we’re talking about what’s being said and done about it in good faith by regular folks (as opposed to CIA meddling and the like). Whether with PSL or with the military.
To try to explain what I mean, imagine if the conclusion, upon careful investigation, is that the US military is mainly imperialist loyalists and that PSL is largely useless for getting anywhere. This would imply, based on my understanding of the current crop of parties in the US: 1) There isn’t really anybody visibly leading the charge from within who is capable of meeting the moment and 2) The military is going to be a major obstacle from within, unless it breaks itself in imperialist wars.
If this is actually the case, better to know that than to believe in falsehoods. But it’s also a grim outlook for those of us who were born in the US and would have a hard time going elsewhere.
I hope that makes sense.
Yes you’re perfectly clear, thank you. It will be very difficult to convince these people to fight for the abolition of their own class. That shouldn’t mean walking on eggshells around them just because they consider their popularity among liberals enough to make them an authority.
Prysner is actively working to undermine the US military, not to defend him from criticism, but i’d take a hundred of him over a hundred of the nazi tattoo guy.
i’m happy to have someone damaging the military for selfish reasons until we’ve built enough that we don’t benefit from his limited work.
How is he damaging the military? Also see: the reason why there is so much hostility to this information here.
Instant slide from “that’s ridiculous to believe the CIA would actually use their infinite money & personnel to do this” to “it’s actually good”
This is the Platner left with anti-imperialist talking points. It presages the Platnerisms these people stumble out with & the particularly rude replies to women. It’s almost like completely nullifying the colonized & imprisoned except as mascots is nasty shitty behavior & not an acceptable concession to achieve “recruiting liberals” (being coopted on purpose to pretend you built a base), & these people are ready to do more shitty things??
your link is broken (or requires a grad login?) and i have no idea what you’re talking about with the rest of the comment.
to answer your initial question, Prysner’s work informing the boots of their legal rights and helping them become conscientious objectors is marginally degrading because of the logistical implications. His org isn’t going to destroy the institution or anything but it does more than any bush era anti-war protest in the US ever did. Please note i previously called it limited.
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i checked a couple times to see if your link worked then i had things besides posting to do lmao get bent
When libs run out of arguments they resort to smuggery
I strongly encourage you to continue defending a former interrogator with that smug attitude. Doubt you even know he was one.
Come to think of it, nobody asked about your posting habits. 🤔 What an odd thing to throw into a reply to me, 30 seconds after I made my first post of the day in the megathread. We’ll chalk it up to coincidence.
how about you apologize for being an asshole to me in this chain and address the other one?
Oh, we have a policy on Lemmygrad of disengaging from unproductive conversations with people. Your other comment is Graham Platnerism. The clarification on your views is appreciated, as you were initially vague. When someone goes “they’re not doing activism that centers imperialists over the colonized” & hops right to “CIA-linked orgs that heap forgiveness on soldiers are better than nothing” that’s not worth spending time on.
I know you didn’t know, btw. Have fun being red, mad, and nude. It’s jubilant, even though we all deny it.
i hate platner i have no idea what you’re on about