You don’t build on the bullshit and lies, but around it. It’s a pain-in-the-ass, but so is dealing with a snitch who is incapable of lying. Personally, I tell my wife and kids to throw me under the bus as needed to get them out of awkward conversations and commitments they don’t want to make. “My dad won’t let me do that” works a treat. The latest was “my dad won’t let me commit insurance fraud”(like I particularly care about insurance fraud, but my limits are surprisingly more restrictive than some we know who would never admit it).
cool. i’d want nothing to do with you or your wife if that’s how you interact with other people. you sound like your both happy being shitty to other people together.
Nah, my wife is much more like you, and it’s often exhausting, although she’s learned a bit across the decades.
You’re a little old to be equating the capacity to lie to get by, doing even the bare minimum to preserve your own and others’ dignity, and feelings, with “being shitty”. As if euphemism and metaphore are just “cool story-telling tricks we developed for some reason”, or human recall doesn’t make AI hallucinations look almost par for the course of actual intelligence.
I’d rather be happy telling the truth than miserable being a lying bullshitting asshole.
Some people can’t be happy unless they are lying and bullshitting, I am very aware how many folks go around in a perpetual cloud of delusional bullshit. Sound like you are one of them? cool.
People like you just demand to be lied to and will never admit when things are contrary to what they expect. Thinking you’re really more truthful than others is just huffing your own farts.
I don’t gaslight people - I come clean and what’s this? I’m never called-out on things I’ve actually lied about - for anything that matters I was almost-always just wrong about something, genuinely confused, but good luck getting me to help you lie to yourself in a way that hurts people. Can you claim any of that with a straight face? Do you even own your mistakes, like ever? Doubt.
You’ve seriously got the wrong idea about me and what I was trying to say to you. I’m not trying to elevate liars, just people, versus the worthlessness of lies and petty truths that aren’t helful.
You have suffered because you are too wrapped-up in one of the Three Sieves of Socrates . Most lies aren’t worth calling out because doing so is not kind or helpful - particularly the lies that good people tell themselves to get through the day.
I never said you should or had to lie to get by, be a good person, or have a full understanding. I won’t even pretend I’m too wrapped-up in the concept of trying to be a good person, BUT, the wicked man still knows what goodness looks like, and I personally dis-like watching good people suffer, almost as much as I dis-like watching “good” people disparage others over something that basically amounts to LOUDLY MIS-UNDERSTANDING THINGS.
right, everyone is a liar, because you lie. and if they don’t lie, they suck.
au contraire, I am merely a vaguely reasonable person who wastes time begging idiots like you to notice and acknowlege simple facts laid-out by studies throughout both of our lifespans and before. I happened to have learned about some of them before middle-school, and so I’ve been at this versus self-righteous cretins for a looong time.
How DARE I ask you to make life a little easier for everyone, starting with yourself?
this is exactly how all my exes told me too. everyone cheats! if you aren’t doing it, you’re a chump! and anyone who is better than me, is shitty.
notice how in this, you’re always right, and everyone else is wrong? funny how convenient that works out for you.
So wait, you mean EVERYONE who has been in a position to tell you anything about your own bullshit, over-the-top reactions to this topic has had the same response? Literally, everyone else is wrong, as you’ve put it - I’m not the one alone in my world-view here.
Look, if you can’t look in the mirror, could you at least pick a narrative? I was bored with your incoherent gibberish days and days-ago. If self-honesty and intro-spection are such hateful topics to you, maybe don’t interact with them, but calling people who are honest with you about the potential for dis-honesty out as pathological liars just makes you look stupid, ignorant, and even likely in-sincere.
If I lie, I’ve committed to doing the work to make it true(the optimist’s conceit), at least enough to let the other person pretend they don’t know better. When you lie, its because you can’t even be bothered to notice or admit that’s what’s happened. No wonder you’re alone.
You don’t build on the bullshit and lies, but around it. It’s a pain-in-the-ass, but so is dealing with a snitch who is incapable of lying. Personally, I tell my wife and kids to throw me under the bus as needed to get them out of awkward conversations and commitments they don’t want to make. “My dad won’t let me do that” works a treat. The latest was “my dad won’t let me commit insurance fraud”(like I particularly care about insurance fraud, but my limits are surprisingly more restrictive than some we know who would never admit it).
cool. i’d want nothing to do with you or your wife if that’s how you interact with other people. you sound like your both happy being shitty to other people together.
Nah, my wife is much more like you, and it’s often exhausting, although she’s learned a bit across the decades.
You’re a little old to be equating the capacity to lie to get by, doing even the bare minimum to preserve your own and others’ dignity, and feelings, with “being shitty”. As if euphemism and metaphore are just “cool story-telling tricks we developed for some reason”, or human recall doesn’t make AI hallucinations look almost par for the course of actual intelligence.
No wonder you’re single.
I’d rather be happy telling the truth than miserable being a lying bullshitting asshole.
Some people can’t be happy unless they are lying and bullshitting, I am very aware how many folks go around in a perpetual cloud of delusional bullshit. Sound like you are one of them? cool.
People like you just demand to be lied to and will never admit when things are contrary to what they expect. Thinking you’re really more truthful than others is just huffing your own farts.
I don’t gaslight people - I come clean and what’s this? I’m never called-out on things I’ve actually lied about - for anything that matters I was almost-always just wrong about something, genuinely confused, but good luck getting me to help you lie to yourself in a way that hurts people. Can you claim any of that with a straight face? Do you even own your mistakes, like ever? Doubt.
right, everyone is a liar, because you lie. and if they don’t lie, they suck.
this is exactly how all my exes told me too. everyone cheats! if you aren’t doing it, you’re a chump! and anyone who is better than me, is shitty.
notice how in this, you’re always right, and everyone else is wrong? funny how convenient that works out for you.
You’ve seriously got the wrong idea about me and what I was trying to say to you. I’m not trying to elevate liars, just people, versus the worthlessness of lies and petty truths that aren’t helful.
You have suffered because you are too wrapped-up in one of the Three Sieves of Socrates . Most lies aren’t worth calling out because doing so is not kind or helpful - particularly the lies that good people tell themselves to get through the day.
I never said you should or had to lie to get by, be a good person, or have a full understanding. I won’t even pretend I’m too wrapped-up in the concept of trying to be a good person, BUT, the wicked man still knows what goodness looks like, and I personally dis-like watching good people suffer, almost as much as I dis-like watching “good” people disparage others over something that basically amounts to LOUDLY MIS-UNDERSTANDING THINGS.
au contraire, I am merely a vaguely reasonable person who wastes time begging idiots like you to notice and acknowlege simple facts laid-out by studies throughout both of our lifespans and before. I happened to have learned about some of them before middle-school, and so I’ve been at this versus self-righteous cretins for a looong time.
How DARE I ask you to make life a little easier for everyone, starting with yourself?
So wait, you mean EVERYONE who has been in a position to tell you anything about your own bullshit, over-the-top reactions to this topic has had the same response? Literally, everyone else is wrong, as you’ve put it - I’m not the one alone in my world-view here.
Look, if you can’t look in the mirror, could you at least pick a narrative? I was bored with your incoherent gibberish days and days-ago. If self-honesty and intro-spection are such hateful topics to you, maybe don’t interact with them, but calling people who are honest with you about the potential for dis-honesty out as pathological liars just makes you look stupid, ignorant, and even likely in-sincere.
If I lie, I’ve committed to doing the work to make it true(the optimist’s conceit), at least enough to let the other person pretend they don’t know better. When you lie, its because you can’t even be bothered to notice or admit that’s what’s happened. No wonder you’re alone.