• AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.social
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    2 months ago

    This is really bad even just from the perspective of user behavior. Training people to scan QR codes from anything that looks like a captcha box is HORRIBLE for security.

    “Thanks for scanning the code, just one more step! Please input your phone number, and type in the code you receive.”

    Boom, account stolen.

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      2 months ago

      What they are doing is way worse tban what you understood.

      These QR codes will show on your Desktop PC and you will need an Android phone or an iOS device with a logged in Google QR code app to get past it.

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          Ayup that has been the holy grail of big tech.

          They are most of the way there today. Make Identity Resolution inescapable. Bing bang boom.

          It is more than just phones and lappys too. It’s everything. That smart TV. That fitness watch. That automobile. That streaming music service. The ebook reader you got as a birthday gift.

          Your behavior across every single device is data gold. This is today’s reality.

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      Every company that uses these captcha service should also be fined so hard. This isnt just google here.

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        2 months ago

        And every company that is relying on gsm or the apple pendant to verify anything.

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    2 months ago

    That would only make me install Graphene even harder if I wasn’t already writing from a phone with it

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    If google requires me to permit other companies to leech all my personal data to be able to use anything on the Internet at all, I say we label Google, Microsoft, Apple as criminal organizations

    I’m sorry, bit there have to be limits.

    I. DO. NOT. WANT. TO. USE. ANYTHING. GOOGLE.

    OR APPLE. OR MICROSOFT.

    FUCK ALL THESE OLIGARCH COMPANIES INTO THE GROUND

    I do not want my private data leeches and sold every day, I don’t even get paid for it

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    For a decade or two now, it’s been pretty much assumed that everyone has an internet-connected, camera-equipped, browser-capable device in their pocket. Restaurants, banks, hospitals, employers and even government offices use QR codes and websites to get you to their menus, forms or services.

    If ID is being tied to my mobile spy device, then I need my mobile spy device to be a right and not a luxury. $40-50 for a few years of validity, internet access provided at no cost, even if slow. I can have my luxury phone be where I’m ‘anonymous’, but I want the government to subsidize the mobile spy device if it’s a mandatory expense. Even cheap phones cost a lot of money.

    To be clear, I don’t want ID tied to my phone, but it’s gotten harder to exist without one, so it should be something we have access to with minimal friction.

    Add food, water and shelter to that list, but you can’t ask for them without a web browser.

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    This does seem to work with sandboxed Google Play Services on GrapheneOS btw.

    I scanned the demo QR code on Google’s talk page about it with sandboxed Play Services enabled and it gave me a custom popup asking if I’d like to verify.

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    Let’s hope the EU prevents this from happening. We should be able to access every site we wish without Google’s permission.

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      We should all be encouraging Europeans to:

      1. Force Android and iOS to be given to the people to own and open-source the OS fully in EU with GPL license
      2. Fine them to oblivion if they do not cooperate
      3. If they try to double down then piece up their companies into parts

      We all tired of their fucking shit. Everyone keep getting people active and informed on all this!! Together anything is possible!!

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      The EU is busily building the Fourth Reich, so don’t expect help from there.

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          The ongoing battle against online privacy is a symptom of capitalism, the EU is a capitalist state. The only thing the EU would ever do against US-based capitalism is to gobble up those capital gains for themselves. It doesn’t matter if it happes or not, the privacy-issues for end-users would never be alleviated by the EU.

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            From what you’re saying, they would’ve already introduced all those capitalist methods of control the first time around.

            Which they didn’t.

            What gives?

            Also: the EU is literally incapable of “gobbling up capital gains for themselves” because “themselves” doesn’t exist in this context - the EU is not a “State”. The member-states might (and some do).

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    We seriously need to ask Valve to make SteamOS phones.

    Not only will they be good for gaming but imagine being able to put other OS’es on it like PC’s. Bazzite, PostmarketOS, etc. Plus Valve will still get revenue from people using the upcoming Steam ARM Game Store, and the current Bannerhub/Gamenative community android apps that enable playing PC games they own from Steam/GOG on Phones

    Its such a huge opportunity that we all should be encouraging then to pursue now and after they release their current 3 big projects: Steam Controllers, Steam Machines, Steam Frames

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        I get where you are coming from. Out of all of the billionaires he is one that is one of the least bad out of the rest of them, and is doing plenty of good things himself. He got that wealth from Steam doing so well over the years co.pared to other billionaires that did the shadiest things imaginable

        I don’t agree with his yachts business yet I agree with his side project of making boats specifically for ocean research. I don’t agree with him still getting paid so much today, yet I agree that he pays and treats his employees and customers well

        End of the day it’s another option to get open phones that can have bootloader unlocked to change OS, and not be locked down. It is good to have more options currently where there are few.

        Many online PC gamers have this opinion too so overall its more so a matter of time and comes down to if Valve really wants to then they will.

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          Yeah he’s the kind of wealth that helps you realize why people ever supported the wealthy. They used to actually have an understanding that keeping their wealth meant keeping employees, customers, and people at large happy and safe – and they’d be willing to put in the effort (or rather, money) to ensure it.

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      The “root of bad” is capitalism itself, the logic of the system tends to create monopolies over time, as demonstrated in the game ‘Monopoly’

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        Capitalism is fine small scale, most systems are. Humans are just wired for efficiency and so with every player on the same board the most ruthless player wins.

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          Ah yes, the mythical small business capitalism we all hear about. I will agree it sounds good on paper and also seems to distribute money in a somewhat efficient manner.

          Unfortunately there has never been a government able to regulate and keep capitalism this way. Other people have said it is simply not possible due to the nature of capitalism.

          I think there is a worthwhile debate here around systems and culture. Perhaps capitalism could work if people were not inherently so greedy. I tend to believe that culture is the deciding factor which is a little disheartening honestly.

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      What do you plan to do? Dumbphone? No phone? Break glass in case of emergency phone in a faraday pouch?

      I’m considering a break-glass dumbphone in a faraday pouch. I REALLY fucking hate location tracking. I’d keep it seperate from my IRL ID. Prob is, it’s hard. Screw up once, big data pounces. One call tied to your name in any way. One friend puts it in their contacts. One time to forget the pouch and there’s a location ping at your residence. Not to mention the difficulty of even buying it and setting up a plan. Ugh :(

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        I’m a teams app for dumb phones away from getting off smart phones. I’m fiddy and have to use my readers to even see my phone, so I’ve slowly stopped using it for much outside of random apps for appliances. I can get an ipad for that, though. I’m also a privacy advocate, but I’ve made peace with the fact that ship has pretty much sailed

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    Smartphones are such an utter wretch nowadays, & I’m not even sure if there was a time they weren’t. I don’t get the appeal of a smartphone, they do everything a dumbphone does but worse, more expensive & with an unremovable thick layer of scum, yeah a smartphone has some of the features of a laptop or desktop but who needs that baked into their phone for every moment?

    People are trying so hard to fix smartphones (even by giving money to the least privacy respecting companies ever by buying Google phones) when they can get a dumbphone and be rid of those problems in the first place. Well that’s my opinion at least, I think it might be a bit extreme.